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...today, 5th Feb.

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Just the names (so far?):

Royal Caribbean has just announced its new class of ships that has been referred to internally as Project Sunshine, will officially be called Quantum Class. Additionally, the first two ships will be named Quantum of the Seas and Anthem of the Seas.

Quantum of the Seas will debut in 2014 and Anthem of the Seas will be ready in 2015.


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I got this in a press release email from MeyerWerft:

Start of Steel-Cutting for First Project Sunshine Ship

Next Generation of Ships for Royal Caribbean International begins construction

Papenburg, - The first steel-cutting taking place in MEYER WERFT's laser centre marks the start of construction of the new Project Sunshine ships for Royal Caribbean International. The first ship of this class will be completed in October 2014. It took the plasma torch in the yard's state-of-the-art laser centre merely a couple of minutes to cut a silhouette of the new ship from the steel plate.

The first steel-cutting marks the start of construction of the first ship of the new series. The first of these newbuildings will be named “Quantum of the Seas”. The second ship, the "Anthem of the Seas”, will be delivered in spring 2015.

"Our next class of ships will fascinate our guests," says Harri Kulovaara, Royal Caribbean's Excecutive Vice President, Maritime. “We are very happy about the progress we have made in the planning of this wonderful ship." According to Kulovaara, "now the teams from MEYER WERFT, their partners and the teams from Royal Caribbean International are faced with the task of making the ship come to life."

Having a tonnage of 167,000 grt, the Quantum class ships will offer capacities for approx. 4,100 passengers.

MEYER WERFT's managing partners, Bernard Meyer, Dr. Jan Meyer and Lambert Kruse, as well as the yard's project manager Uwe Wulff, and Jarmo Laakso from Royal Caribbean International attended the steel cutting ceremony in the laser centre. “We are very happy to build these innovative ships for Royal Caribbean International, and to continue our long-standing relationship," said Bernard Meyer. “We guarantee to deliver a cruise ship featuring an exceptional interior design, which meets the highest technical standards, is extremely energy efficient, and complies with the latest environmental technologies."


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Video release by Royal Caribbean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8MS0Iz1Da0&sns=fb


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Press Release from Royal Caribbean:

ROYAL CARIBBEAN INTERNATIONAL MARKS FIRST MAJOR MILESTONE OF PROJECT SUNSHINE CONSTRUCTION

World's Most Innovative Cruise Line Celebrates Steel Cutting and Reveals Names of Newest Ships

MIAMI, February 5, 2013 – Royal Caribbean International took a major step this week in the development of the cruise line’s next generation of cruise ships when the first piece of steel was cut for the first of two Project Sunshine ships. The steel cutting took place at the Meyer Werft shipyard in Papenburg, Germany, where the two ships will be built.

To celebrate the milestone, Royal Caribbean announced the names of the two new ships – Quantum of the Seas, set to debut in fall 2014, and Anthem of the Seas, which will follow in spring 2015. They will be part of the Quantum class of ships and will build upon Royal Caribbean’s legacy of revolutionary ship design and bold innovation.

“We are extremely excited to celebrate this important milestone for our first Project Sunshine ship. After three years of design and advance planning this is the first step of the construction of the ship and I look forward to seeing it all come together in the coming months,” said Adam Goldstein, President and CEO, Royal Caribbean International. “The new ship will be such a leap forward in terms of vessel design and guest experiences that we thought the name Quantum of the Seas was perfectly appropriate.”

Royal Caribbean International’s legacy is built on introducing ‘at sea firsts’ such as rock-climbing walls, ice-skating rinks, surf simulators, zip lines and even a tropical park with over 12,000 live plants. The Quantum class of ships will continue to build on this legacy with unprecedented experiences and amenities. They will once again deliver on Royal Caribbean’s tradition of designing for ‘WOW’.

“Throughout our history we have made huge strides in cruise ship design and innovation and the Quantum class will be no exception,” said Richard D. Fain, Chairman and CEO, Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd. “We look forward to introducing consumers to Quantum cruising."


Additional details about Quantum of the Seas will be unveiled in the coming months. Media can stay updated by following @RoyalCaribPR on Twitter, on Tumblr at www.RoyalCaribbeanInternationalPR.tumblr.com and by visiting www.RoyalCaribbeanPressCenter.com.


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I wonder if this is an accurate silhouette?


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Do they actually know that 'Quantum Leaps' are changes on the smallest conceivable scale of a system?
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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

I wonder if this is an accurate silhouette?


I was wondering that. From the silhouette, I am guessing there is a large solarium structure forward. The more interesting shapes a aft of the funnel and at the stern. I look forward to details of what those relate to.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mattsudds:
The more interesting shapes a aft of the funnel and at the stern. I look forward to details of what those relate to.

If it's genuine, this 'leaked' image seems to approximately match the building-block silhouette. Once again there is a fancy bit at the stern?

Matt, did you see the leaked models:HERE

No room for 'Central Parks on this ship!

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That little notch on the top deck at the stern look very similar to a side view of the radiance class. If they move the Windjammer back to it's old location below the sports deck that could be an outside section. The image doesn't show the notch but does show it as all glass windows like a Windjammer.
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A new publication by Meyer Werft has some clues to the design of the Quantum Class. If you scroll down there is a still picture probably taken from a mock video and there is also a model in a testing facility. I do not know if this has been posted before.

Here is the link to the publication: http://www.meyerwerft.de/en/meyerwerft_de/service/publikationen/publikationen_detailseite_2753.jsp


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quote:
Originally posted by JPW:
A new publication by Meyer Werft has some clues to the design of the Quantum Class. If you scroll down there is a still picture probably taken from a mock video and there is also a model in a testing facility. I do not know if this has been posted before.

Here is the link to the publication: http://www.meyerwerft.de/en/meyerwerft_de/service/publikationen/publikatione n_detailseite_2753.jsp


Haven't seen that posted anywhere before. That's the first non profile image I've seen (with the exception of those room models that were leaked). I find it funny that they would blur the image and write "Top Secret" on it which shows they know RCCL doesn't want it out but still posted something instead of just the names. It also includes the max capacity, not sure we've seen that before. In comparison to a freedom and oasis class she is (GT/passenger ratio):

Freedom:
Double: 3,634 (42.49)
Max: 4,375 (35.29)
GT: 154,407

Quantum:
Double: 4,100 (40.61)
Max: 4,905 (33.95)
GT: 166,500

Oasis:
Double: 5,400 (41.72)
Max: 6,296 (35.78)
GT: 225,282


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A great find JPW, well done!

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quote:
Haven't seen that posted anywhere before. That's the first non profile image I've seen (with the exception of those room models that were leaked). I find it funny that they would blur the image and write "Top Secret" on it which shows they know RCCL doesn't want it out but still posted something instead of just the names. It also includes the max capacity, not sure we've seen that before. In comparison to a freedom and oasis class she is (GT/passenger ratio):

Freedom:
Double: 3,634 (42.49)
Max: 4,375 (35.29)
GT: 154,407

Quantum:
Double: 4,100 (40.61)
Max: 4,905 (33.95)
GT: 166,500

Oasis:
Double: 5,400 (41.72)
Max: 6,296 (35.78)
GT: 225,282


These ratios are interesting. Not a lot of difference with double occupancy. I have cruised on the Navigator and Oasis but not the Freedom. The only time the Navigator seemed crowded was on the pool deck. Oasis did not seem crowded at all except during the emergency drill which they did in entertainment venues. I think having the Royal Promenades makes a lot of difference with these large ships. The height of these areas makes you feel like it is not so crowded and their length disperses the passengers.

I think the Quantum Class will feel more crowded though, if they do not have a Royal Promenade. I have not heard whether they will have one. The extra GT above Freedom may be only because there will be eight decks of balcony cabins according to the pictures. This is the same as Oasis, but without the extra beam.


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This enlarged version of the block plan for the Quantum gives even more clues to the design detail, if this is indeed accurate as far as the final design. We have seen variations of some areas in the models.

[IMG]http://www.cruisecurrents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1360074542_S697-Quantum-Steelcutting-DSC7392-.jpg/IMG]

If it is accurate, I believe the more rounded version of the Solarium is the one they selected from the models we have seen. I think the Viking Crown Lounge may be above the Solarium. The stern area may have glass like the Solstice but a double deck height. You can clearly make out the lifeboat deck and the area behind the funnel may have loft suites.

What does everyone think?


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quote:
Originally posted by JPW:
Sorry, this image may be too big. If you you use the address you will see the enlarged image.

Can someone advise me if I should have attempted to link this image differently.

Thanks, again I am new to this.


Hi JPW,

It is actually a good thing that picture didn't display because it's HUGE!!!

Here is the detail of the block arrangements from that picture:

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I don't remember seeing triangle blocks on any other builds, is this unusual? Any idea what would require that? Only thing at an angle I can think of would be seating at a theater like Studio B.
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RCI have promised a 'Wow', but then they would!

I can't imagine what could really be ground-breaking about this design. With all those passengers and a modest tonnage (compared to Oasis) there cannot be too much room for real innovative public spaces. There is unlikely to be a Park, Board-walk or Aqua-Theatre.

In fact after Oasis, it is difficult to see what more could be achieved on a smaller ship. Maybe we have come to expect too much form RCI? Maybe they will surprise me?

The windows and structure at the stern (leaked rendering and block plan) are the main focus of interest for me.

Below: Tank testing model?

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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
[...]
In fact after Oasis, it is difficult to see what more could be achieved on a smaller ship.

Why on earth shouldn't it be possible to have innovative features aboard a small ship? What has size to do with that?

Many of the distinguishing features of the Oasis class could be realized aboard smaller vessels and actually, some of these features were introduced aboard much smaller ships - the split superstructure of Silja Serenade and Silja Symphony comes to my mind.

And since I mentioned ferries: One of the most innovative ships built during the past decade - Viking Grace - is MUCH smaller than the ship presently under construction at Meyer Werft.

Of the cruise ships presently under construction the concert hall aboard the new TUI ship comes to my mind and there is an interesting glass enclosed public room at her stern - both not at all related to the size of the ship.

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
[...]
Below: Tank testing model?

Yes, that is of course a towing tank model. What else do you expect it to be?


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I've missed you Ernst!

quote:
You said: "Why on earth shouldn't it be possible to have innovative features aboard a small ship?"

Agreed!

I was trying to say that I find it hard to imagine what innovations this ship could have to impress. After all they set the bar so very high with Oasis.

RCI may well prove me wrong and the design is not just another mega-ship, but has some personality of its own. Clearly, this ship will not be all about 'scale'.

quote:
"Yes, that is of course a towing tank model. What else do you expect it to be?"

Yes I know it's a tank model. The question mark was questioning if it was actually a model of 'Quantum'. It looks like it to me.

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I would expect evolutionary not revolutionary for the Quantum of the Seas. They will be using what they think works best for the prior classes.

There's a big glass enclosed solarium space on the top but clearly no parks and outdoor gardens because she is so much smaller.

There's also no viking crown in the traditional sense. Its clearly missing from all the outlines.

Expect loft suites again because they are super popular on the Oasis and Allure.

And I would not be surprised to see one or two new things emerge because they need to build some excitement in the general public on why to travel this ship versus the others.

More interesting still will be the second generation Oasis that they are talking about. Do you think they will just clone the first two or do you think the French will come up with some news ideas plus Royal Caribbean will evolve those ships even further?


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quote:
Do you think they will just clone the first two or do you think the French will come up with some news ideas plus Royal Caribbean will evolve those ships even further?[/QB]

In short, I don't know!

I guess it saves a lot of money just to hand over the plans to STX and build a 'clone'.

However after 4+plus years of operation, they must have identified some flaws in the original layout/flow/public rooms etc, so maybe they will tweak the design.

Let's hope they do not inter-breed pedigrees and cross the ‘Oasis’ design with the 'Epic' design.:wink: Any passenger that stared at it for too long, would turn to stone!

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quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
...or do you think the French will come up with some news ideas ...

Perhaps a few fires on board the ship?

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Thank you dmwnc1 for re-posting a cropped version of the block plan correctly.

Re the third Oasis Class:

quote:
However after 4+plus years of operation, they must have identified some flaws in the original layout/flow/public rooms etc, so maybe they will tweak the design.


I had mentioned in another post above that the Oasis did not feel over crowded most of the time. A few things come to mind that I had forgotten about, that they could improve. These are only my opinions.

The Windjammer was far too small for the capacity of this ship. It felt crowded all the time. Even though there were so many other venues to eat at, people still gravitated towards it.
In the main dining room I felt the tables were too close together. They really need to expand this room to allow for the some extra space.
The Park Cafe is so popular they need to increase it's size.
They also could try to fit in more seating in the Aqua Theatre. So many people had to stand at the back.

I had mentioned the emergency drill before. This needs to be done the way they used to do it when you actually went to your lifeboat station. The only problem with this is that the walkway behind them is far too small. I do not know whether they could fix this without making the ship even wider.


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