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LaLa
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posted 06-28-2013 06:30 PM      Profile for LaLa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone know what's going to be replacing her in Baltimore?
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DEIx15x8
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posted 06-30-2013 04:41 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nothing. Carnival is moving her out as threat to the EPA over new fuel requirements that will be going into effect in 2015. The new requirements force ships to burn even cleaner fuel while within a certain distance of US shores. This makes the long journey through the Chesapeake Bay very expensive. They've told the government officials in Baltimore and Maryland to get them an exemption or their out. They haven't done it so there proofing their hand, now they've said if they get an exemption they may still return come spring 2015.

The port of Baltimore claims to be in talks with another major line to replace her in the future. Most likely NCL or Celebrity may return. For now only Royal Caribbean is scheduled to remain in 2015.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 06-30-2013 05:36 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think you are going to find fewer and fewer lines cruising from and to northeast ports because of this; not to mention Alaska.

And it's not just the Chesapeake - the ECA stretches 200 miles from the US coastline, so even a cruise to the Caribbean is basically within the ECA until you hit the Bahamas.

These cruises are all extremely price sensitive and the extra cost of the distillate fuel would add an estimated $140 to the cost of the ticket on a 7-day cruise.

But cruises are not the half of it - wait until early 2015 and see what a sharp rise there is in the costs of consumer goods arriving through US ports.

Tim


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posted 06-30-2013 06:11 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand it is not just the cost either. There are operational problems with the low sulphur fuels with its low viscosity and poor lubrication causing blockages in the fuel lines resulting in engine failures - more bumper boats. Unfortunately this seems to have been a problem with vessels that switch fuels.

I don't know the ins and outs but did the EPA approve the use of scrubbers instead or not?

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posted 06-30-2013 08:38 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Royal Caribbean installed an experimental new scrubber system on the Liberty of the Seas last year and it sounded like they received approval for it. From what I've seen they have already asked for "permits" (not sure what that term means in this sense) to install them in 6 ships, including the Grandeur of the Seas.
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 06-30-2013 08:42 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam,

yes, the operational and logistical challenges are numerous - esp. the switching back and forth as many of the older engines do not fare well with this. I liken it to running your car alternately on diesel and distillate. From what I understand, many of the ships built within the past five years or so have fared better but on a passenger ship, one of the biggest problems is having adequate bunker capacity.

So far as to my knowledge, the EPA has not issued any waivers for scrubbers which is part of the big problem. Cruise lines need to set deployments 15 to 18 months out, so lines cannot wait for the EPA to decide at this time next year whether or not scrubbers are acceptable.

Funny that considering how many of the EU nations are embracing the scrubber technology - a great example is the new Viking Star.

Tim


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LaLa
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posted 07-02-2013 01:09 AM      Profile for LaLa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh
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posted 07-02-2013 08:50 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For some reason I seem to remember one of the engine manufacturers doing trials with bio diesel, would this formula get around the EPA requirements ?
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posted 07-02-2013 08:58 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, so it's Wärtsilä that has been running tests with bio fuels.

With the amount of waste food prep oils floating around I am amazed that someone has not set up a large system in Florida to refine the waste oils into a biodiesel blend.


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