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Horrible My thoughts are with theme who are the fictims there families and all those who where wittnes off this terrible act. As Bulbousbow i hope non off oure CT are fictim ore involved.

It seems so stupid and senseless, directed to innocent commuters.

I don't know what i am feeling, in a way.

I sincerely hope there are not too many casualties, and 'd love to hear and read our fellow english CT'ers.

from what i've seen and read, people, and london, reacted quite calmly

tWill never end, i fear.

I am also filled with a deep rage that needs to express itself. The time for playing cat and mouse with these subhumans should be over. It is time to cordon off their part of the world and to decontaminate it with the most onerous of weapons in our mutual arsenals.

There will be no peace anywhere until the world is rid of all who by religion or ideology would terrorize it. Send them to their paradise.

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Prime Minister Blair has said that the terrorists will not destroy our way of life, and I support that sentiment. Among the aspects of 'our way of life' that I especially value are the following: a belief in, and submission to, the rule of law; tolerance of dissent; the value of heterogeneity and diversity; and above all tolerance for the rights of others.

Obviously those who have committed this morning's outrages do not share those views. But, if we truly believe in them, then our response must be guided by the principals behind them. It be lawful; it must be targeted on those who are personally responsible; it must be proportional; and it must be open to scrutiny. In short, our response to this must be in a way that strengthens our values, not theirs.

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Originally posted by Jamaica Jeff:
One week we are supposed to feed the world and the next England is being attacked. Maybe if we didnt have to deal with these scumbags more could be spent to help the poor and needy. Its amazing, more is made out of some pics in a prison than the beheading of an innocent person. Bomb a building, but we have to apologize for the way prisoners are treated at Gitmo Bay. Burn our flags but don't flush their Quoran. Nations like the U.S. and Britain and the rest of the free world must eliminate this Scum! London, our prayers are with you.

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I dessided not to react but i must.

Just such remarks made things even worse. Maybe what happen on Gutanomo Bay made the situation more and more explosiff and dangerous. The fluching off the Koran is an disgrace, wat would you say iff the Bible ore Thora would fluch. You would yell and react witte such angry.

Thats way innencent poeple died and wonded.

Ben.

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Originally posted by Jamaica Jeff:
One week we are supposed to feed the world and the next England is being attacked. Maybe if we didnt have to deal with these scumbags more could be spent to help the poor and needy. Its amazing, more is made out of some pics in a prison than the beheading of an innocent person. Bomb a building, but we have to apologize for the way prisoners are treated at Gitmo Bay. Burn our flags but don't flush their Quoran. Nations like the U.S. and Britain and the rest of the free world must eliminate this Scum! London, our prayers are with you.

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Very well put and totally accurate.

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Originally posted by Tim Agg:
I'm with Tom and Maasdm on this - the violence tells us about the perpetrators; how we react will tell about who we are. We have lots of family and friends in the UK, and our hearts are with them all.

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Tim, I too am awaiting replies from my special people who may be affected.

I try very hard to understand you and your philosophy. Can you please tell me what your response to this terror violence in London would be?

Maasdam, the Koran "flushing" was already exposed and acknowledged as an event that never happened. Newsweek issued a rejection of that story. Please do not perpetuate a lie.

London, (as was New York and Washington, DC by the Al Quida), was attacked by at this point unknown persons who killed at least 37 innocent and "just happened to be in the wrong spot" people. Over 700 are reported injured.

Please tell me why these perpetrators should not be hunted down and executed. Or am I going to hear the old refrain, "Well, Londoners are living too good, have no sensitivity to the terrible problems of the oppressed and really then because of that, are responsible for this bombing.

There comes a time, gentlemen, when you must stand tall and say "no more".

Hate him if you wish, but George Bush said that back in September of 2001 and Tony Blair agreed. They have this old veterans support and realizing it will take a long time I know even so, we will prevail.

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Please tell me why these perpetrators should not be hunted down and executed.

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The prepetrators - that is, the actual people who planned it, bought the materials, built the bombs and planted them - should indeed be 'hunted down', though I would prefer the term 'brought to justice' which requires due process and not just ending up under an air strike. And in the UK, justice does not include execution, which is a situation I'm happy with. What we must *not* do is start killing anyone who might be the the perps, their families, associates, people who may have attended the same mosque at some time, who live in the same country, look or sound like them, etc.

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Originally posted by Tom Burke:
The prepetrators - that is, the actual people who planned it, bought the materials, built the bombs and planted them - should indeed be 'hunted down', though I would prefer the term 'brought to justice' which requires due process and not just ending up under an air strike. And in the UK, justice does not include execution, which is a situation I'm happy with. What we must *not* do is start killing anyone who might be the the perps, their families, associates, people who may have attended the same mosque at some time, who live in the same country, look or sound like them, etc.

The killings - in the USA, Spain, Bali and now London - are dreadful crimes. The perpetrators reveal their nature in them. We reveal our nature in our response. If we believe that we are different, then that must be shown in our response.

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Yet I find that I cannot say anything better than what Tom Burke has said in this post.

I do, however, want to comment on these two posts:-

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Originally posted by Kenneth:
The time for playing cat and mouse with these subhumans should be over. It is time to cordon off their part of the world and to decontaminate it with the most onerous of weapons in our mutual arsenals.

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Originally posted by Jamaica Jeff:
Its amazing, more is made out of some pics in a prison than the beheading of an innocent person. Bomb a building, but we have to apologize for the way prisoners are treated at Gitmo Bay. Burn our flags but don't flush their Quoran. Nations like the U.S. and Britain and the rest of the free world must eliminate this Scum!

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And where are you going to hunt them, cordon them off, and eliminate them? They live amongst us, in our own countries and all over the world. And they live amongst countless millions of decent and respectable fellow humans of all faiths who are equally disgusted at what they do. Would you destroy all those people as well for the sake of getting at a small group of fanatics?

No, the war on terrorism is not a conventional war, in which violence can be effectively met by more violence. This is demonstrated by the abject failure of the West's overwhelming military superiority to win the war over the last four years.

This a war between philosophies and ways of life. Our part in this war is to say that we will fight for our way of life. Their primary weapons are violence and fear; our primary weapon is to stick the proverbial two fingers up at them by defying them and continuing to live our normal lives, even if some of us may be hurt or even killed in the process.

And part of our normal way of life is that we treat other humans properly and decently, whatever the circumstances and whatever the provocation. We live by better rules than they do. We do not care if they burn our flags or insult us - we are bigger and better than their tantrums and foul words. We do not kill. And we do not do these things even if it costs some of us dearly - that is the price that we should be prepared to pay to hold the things that truly valuable in our societies.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Some people cannot see evil and think if you ignore it, it will just go away. Europe more than the U.S. will have very big problems in the near future unless they address this problem sooner rather than later. France is beginning to see the problems first hand but it may be to late to reverse it.

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Originally posted by nevadaflip:
Tom, Maasdam and Tim,

I try very hard to understand you and your philosophy. Can you please tell me what your response to this terror violence in London would be?

Maasdam, the Koran "flushing" was already exposed and acknowledged as an event that never happened. Newsweek issued a rejection of that story. Please do not perpetuate a lie.

London, (as was New York and Washington, DC by the Al Quida), was attacked by at this point unknown persons who killed at least 37 innocent and "just happened to be in the wrong spot" people. Over 700 are reported injured.

Please tell me why these perpetrators should not be hunted down and executed. Or am I going to hear the old refrain, "Well, Londoners are living too good, have no sensitivity to the terrible problems of the oppressed and really then because of that, are responsible for this bombing.

There comes a time, gentlemen, when you must stand tall and say "no more".

Hate him if you wish, but George Bush said that back in September of 2001 and Tony Blair agreed. They have this old veterans support and realizing it will take a long time I know even so, we will prevail.

Jerry

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The flusching of the Koran is a true fact. Later admited there was an koran fluched.

What happen in London as i said in the first reply Horrible reed the reply.

Wy i came to the conclusion simply i life in Europe scatered by war and holy wars.

Infact the Netherlands thanks here excistance by an holy war between the Dutch protostants and the Catholic Spane. It cost the life off the founder off the Netherlands Prince Willem van Oranje Nassau who was killed by order off King Filips of Spain. The Prince was shot on 10 juny 1584 and died on 3 august 1584. Through the centurys oure country and all other countrys have fights such wars endure terrorist attacs. Now 2005 Europe is came to the conclusion that violance answering with violance is not the good way.

Therfore i admire the poeple off London with there kalm in there houre off pain.

I'm believing that man as Buch and Blair are not improving the situation with there war against terrorist. wat bring thise war American, Brittish and other soldiers killed many innencent people killed.

Bin Laden still an free man and the terrorist attacks still going on.

There must be another way. Not the way off the western politicians Buch and Blair and oure prime minister Balkenende wich agree with everthing America and Brittain do. Hé listen not to the Dutch his voters wich in mass don't agree with the agressif policy.

The way this involved let make me angree i see an war comming and the one who will killed are not those at the whitte House, Downingstreet 10 ore the Catshouse (official home off the Dutch PM)
But the ordenary people as ussual.

Therfore my reaction i now where we came frome in Europe and what we have done to the world (i left the crussade, colonial time out)

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The fluching off the Koran is an disgrace, wat would you say iff the Bible ore Thora would fluch. You would yell and react witte such angry.

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Originally posted by CGT:

Flush a Bible, a Torah, an American flag, I don't care. Flushing the Koran is the same as burning an American flag, who gives a sh*t. A) I hate religion, and B) I hate iditos who get bent out of shape over flag burning. It's a freaking inanimate object/symbol and no matter how many you burn it doesn't destroy the ideals that is represents (and what are more important that physical objects).

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