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BYEFairwind
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posted 03-27-2007 07:53 AM      Profile for BYEFairwind        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice rockin and rolling.

http://www.break.com/index/cruise_ship_caught_in_cyclone.html


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Pascal
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posted 03-27-2007 03:59 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Properly speaking, there are no cyclones in the Med. There are storms, sometimes huge storms as violent as some hurricanes, but fortunately no cyclones.
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Jekyll
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posted 03-27-2007 04:23 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
at least it wasn't Oceanos Part 2...
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-27-2007 04:54 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is that the same storm that blew out the bridge windows? It seems that those two ships are not the best riding ships around today. It there a problem w/there hull design?
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oslo dutch
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posted 03-27-2007 06:46 PM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Is that the same storm that blew out the bridge windows? It seems that those two ships are not the best riding ships around today. It there a problem w/there hull design?

In 2001 I cruised on Olympia voyager for a week from Athens to Venice, Korfu, Santorini, Istanbul, Rhodes and back to Athens. The last night was rather bumpy and it became very evident she was nto a terribly good seaship.

We had a good time even though it was not outstanding. So no surprise Rolyal Olympia went bust.
I was a nice ship but somehow something was missing.

Reint


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Pascal
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posted 03-27-2007 07:29 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those 2 Olympia sisters are extremely flat. I even think they would look much better with one or two extra decks, which is quite remarkable as most of other newbuilts really looks top heavy.

So as I said, those vessels are very flat and we would expect them to have a better sea keeping ability than other cruise ships. Actually, it seems to be all the contrary. Ernst already explained us many times that height had almost nothing to do with stability. I've read those Olympia ships hull were designed mainly to allow high speeds with minimal fuel consumption. Perhaps the element sacrified in the process was stability (?).

Anyway, one obvious weakness can be noticed on these ships : the bridge is very low and very close to the bow, making it extremely vulnerable.


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LeBarryboat
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posted 03-27-2007 09:15 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was amazing footage...terrible seakeeping abilities...but then again they were built for speed. It would be interesting to see footage like that of QM2 in extreme seas.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-27-2007 09:50 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
It would be interesting to see footage like that of QM2 in extreme seas.

I think both QE2 and QM2 would just continue to charge along at 25 knots in those seas.


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Brian_O
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posted 03-28-2007 12:20 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The "storm" just doesn't look that bad. Perhaps the ship is not a good sea boat.

Brian


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-28-2007 03:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I think both QE2 and QM2 would just continue to charge along at 25 knots in those seas.

I suspect that they would have to slow down for reasons of passenger comfort!

[ 03-28-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Pascal
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posted 03-28-2007 06:43 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian_O:
The "storm" just doesn't look that bad. Perhaps the ship is not a good sea boat.

Brian


We have to consider the fact that this footage was taken while this ship was adrift, completely dead in the water with no power (the bridge windows were crushed, the computers and other systems were flooded). A ship whithout propulsion is defenseless against the waves.


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posted 03-28-2007 08:58 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:

We have to consider the fact that this footage was taken while this ship was adrift, completely dead in the water with no power (the bridge windows were crushed, the computers and other systems were flooded). A ship whithout propulsion is defenseless against the waves.


Exactly! Even QM2 and QE2 would bob around like a cork if they were stranded in very rough seas with no power. Not a good situation for any ship to be in.

Ernie


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6263866
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posted 03-28-2007 10:50 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember that Voyager is a relativly small ship at around 50,00 tons I believe
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BYEFairwind
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posted 03-28-2007 11:13 AM      Profile for BYEFairwind        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Properly speaking, there are no cyclones in the Med. There are storms, sometimes huge storms as violent as some hurricanes, but fortunately no cyclones.

Pascal, you are correct that there are no tropical cyclones in the Med, however the term cyclone can apply to any circulating low pressure system. I had just copied headline from the video. Given the wave heights being described as 10m I'd say it was about a force 10 "storm" on the Beaufort scale. Anyway enough semantics. Having been through and enjoyed a similar storm on the old Veendam in 70s I'm not sure I would have had enjoyment if we'd lost propulsion. I found this article on the BBC that gives a nice account of the Voyager incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4264661.stm


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recab
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posted 03-28-2007 11:18 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:
Remember that Voyager is a relativly small ship at around 50,00 tons I believe

The Grand Voyager (ex Voyager) is 24391 GT. But size has nothing to do with the pictures. As Pascal and eroller says "without propulsion a ship is defensless". I have beeen onboard a ship more than five times bigger than the Voyager, when we had to stop engines in the middle of a storm and I can assure you that we were rolling.


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posted 03-28-2007 11:25 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yikes! Frightening video. I would hate to be onboard.

[ 03-29-2007: Message edited by: Waynaro ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-28-2007 12:31 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian_O:
The "storm" just doesn't look that bad. Perhaps the ship is not a good sea boat.

Brian


I agree. These ships apparently are not the best sea boats w/their unique high speed hulls and shallow draft.


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eroller
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posted 03-28-2007 01:09 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by recab:

The Grand Voyager (ex Voyager) is 24391 GT. But size has nothing to do with the pictures. As Pascal and eroller says "without propulsion a ship is defenseless". I have been onboard a ship more than five times bigger than the Voyager, when we had to stop engines in the middle of a storm and I can assure you that we were rolling.



Great example. It really doesn't matter how great a ship handles when moving if it has lost all power. Hulls and stabilizers are all designed based on the fact a ship is moving, not standing still. The largest and best seaboat in the world will bob like a cork and roll tremendously if caught in the same conditions that Voyager found herself in with no power.

Ernie


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Cunard Fan
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posted 03-28-2007 02:27 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yikes! Was anyone onboard?
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PamM
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posted 03-28-2007 02:48 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Read the link above Cunard Fan, it has all the info, it was in the middle of a regular cruise.

Rotterdam was also tossed about in this manner when she lost power in the back end of a hurricane, for even longer IIRC, some 3 years ago. But I don't think there was anyone on hand to take such a video. Just as many people were injured.. there is nothing to stop the cork scenario with no power

Pam


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posted 03-28-2007 04:43 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, thank you Pam I didn't even see the link.
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Magic Pipe
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posted 03-28-2007 07:38 PM      Profile for Magic Pipe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

I agree. These ships apparently are not the best sea boats w/their unique high speed hulls and shallow draft.


Actually, they have a draft of 7.3 m, which is quite deep for their size (Compare it to an R-class, which has nearly identical L and B, but T=5.8 m).

These ships probably have quite low metacentric height, owing to their relatavely deep draft and waterplane shape.


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6263866
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posted 03-29-2007 12:43 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Grand Voyager (ex Voyager) is 24391 GT. But size has nothing to do with the pictures. As Pascal and eroller says "without propulsion a ship is defensless". I have beeen onboard a ship more than five times bigger than the Voyager, when we had to stop engines in the middle of a storm and I can assure you that we were rolling.
quote:

I am wondering why engines would be cut?
I remember Ecstasy rocking and rolling after she was heading towards Kartina relief, waves so large her propellers would show.


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posted 03-29-2007 06:59 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trials or tests of some sort maybe.

Pam


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quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Trials or tests of some sort maybe.

Pam


Exactely Pam and in related case also trying to fix a nonfunctioning "free fluttering" stabilizer fin.


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