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DAMBROSI
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posted 02-08-2003 05:35 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bottom out? I mean there has to be an end to all of these large ships. Too many, they
can't all possibly be going out full. That can't seem to be happening. Even deep discounting can't be helping that much. When is enough, enough? Is'nt the cup over flowing? Any thoughts? Because, basically to me, it's still about ego.

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empressport
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posted 02-08-2003 07:50 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, you wonder how much lower they can go. Unlike airlines, which are just selling transportation, they can't cut back too much more on service. Who wants to feel like their vacation is being scrimped on?

Maybe Cunard has the right idea with QM2. After all many people seem to feel that QE2 is a ripoff (with its high daily rates) but Cunard is able to charge it because the ship itself is a draw (not just a cruise). Too bad NCL couldn't develop the same with Orient.


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posted 02-08-2003 07:59 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Vandals at NCL screwed RVL and RCL and sadly I'm beginning to get the vibes that they're doing the same to Orient. I don't think the Marco Polo will survive that lot much longer. Too bad, our favourite ship.
....peter

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Panos
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posted 02-09-2003 09:06 AM      Profile for Panos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that there is still a lot of space for new cruise ships - maybe not in the US but cetrainly at Europe.

It is a fact that more and more people choose cruising as their main holiday for its many advantages.

However, it is also a fact that Europe does not have an adequate capacity at the moment.

Of course in case of a war we may see some Cruise Lines having problems but in the long term future I think that there is space for more ships.


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posted 02-10-2003 12:08 AM      Profile for miami cruiser   Email miami cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read in the Miami Herald a while back that nearly 50 million people a year visit Orlando, Florida. From what I have read the total number of people who cruise worldwide every year is quite a bit lower than that, so there seems to be room to grow the market.
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posted 02-10-2003 11:08 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by empressport:
Yes, you wonder how much lower they can go.

Remember, the fare charged by cruise lines, probably only represents less than 50% of the income generated. I suspect that the onboard accounts are the real money spinners?

Also remember that the cruise lines barely pay their hotel staff, we do that with our tips.

Economies of scale and state of the art propulsion, make these mega ships more economical to run than cruise ships ever were before.

I doubt if there are many empty berths in the Carib? Anyway, it is better to sell the cabins at near-cost, but have a ship full of people, all spending their cash on additionals.

I think the cruise lines do very nicely, in general!


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posted 02-10-2003 11:17 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by empressport:
Who wants to feel like their vacation is being scrimped on?

Interesting point!

It is probably fair to say that the standards of food and service on many ships have slipped over the years, especially in terms of individual attention. However, the ships have become more luxurious, more awesome and certainly have a better range of facilities than ever.

The new cruising public, with little past experience of luxury ocean travel, would probably regard the overall experience today, as better than ever before?


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