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Terry
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posted 06-05-2000 03:46 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are cruise lines doing more bumping? The following from Newsday.com


IT'S YOUR MONEY
Friends
Bumped from 17-Day Cruise
Trip off despite $5,700+ payment

Henry Gilgoff

THE NOTICE suddenly given by Norwegian Cruise Line through a travel agency upset Karin Kalin. It almost reduced her friend Barry Kunzler to tears.

After months of planning, Kalin and Kunzler were told Norwegian was bumping them from the cruise they had booked for a trip from Miami to San Francisco through the Panama Canal.

Kalin, 56, a retired high school teacher from East Meadow, and Kunzler, 52, a machine shop worker who lives in Copiague, booked the 17-day cruise in November and gave a combined $800 deposit. They paid the remainder of their bill, totaling more than $5,700, in January. They were supposed to set sail in April and were bumped in mid-March.

"It's really a very frustrating experience," Kunzler said last week, "to have tickets in hand, to have paid the money, and then suddenly they put your lives in turmoil. For a worker like myself, who has limited time, it was really traumatic." Mirta Carreras, a spokeswoman for Norwegian, said that Norwegian may oversell to offset cancellations, and she said her company is not the only cruise line to do so.

Still, she said, it is unusual to actually have to bump somebody, though she declined to say how many customers were affected last year. She said one reason bumping occurs is that a certain category of cabins may be oversold.

Fran Sevcik, Norwegian's director of public relations, said she could not readily say what led to the Long Islanders' bump. Whatever the details, their treatment surprised Jeanne Sturm Sherman, president of the Long Island chapter of the American Society of Travel Agents. Sherman said she believes cruise line passengers rarely get bumped against their wishes.

Roz Resnick, Austin Travel's vice president of leisure travel, said a cruise line-like an airline-may oversell and then offer customers a deal to take a different date. With Kalin and Kunzler, their travel agency managed to book them on a comparable trip on another cruise line, but they still feel wronged.

Maria Doe, the manager of their travel agency, Friendship Travel Service in East Meadow, said she can understand the need of cruise lines to oversell. But bumping her clients against their wishes? "That's unethical," she said.

A Norwegian representative called Doe about the friends' bump, she said, and so she requested that the decision be put in writing. That March letter from Norwegian to the travel agency expressed regrets for any "inconvenience" experienced by Kunzler and Kalin.

In addition to giving a refund, Norwegian sent a certificate for Kalin and Kunzler entitling them to a future Norwegian cruise at half its fare. The conditions include a deadline: It must be used within a year.

Kalin isn't satisfied, and she has had a lawyer write to Norwegian to protest, claiming breach of contract and "severe reckless disregard" for its customers. "I don't think they compensated us enough for our aggravation," Kalin said. "If they're going to give me anything, they should give a free cruise." Jennifer de la Cruz, a spokeswoman for Carnival, said her cruise line does oversell on occasion, but she said Carnival reaches out for volunteers to rearrange their trip in the "rare" situation when that practice leaves a cruise overbooked.

Carnival's search for volunteers, with inducements such as a cabin upgrade on another cruise, is almost always successful, the spokeswoman said. Sevcik said Norwegian seeks volunteers, too, though Doe said the cruise line left her clients no choice.

Last year, my wife and I went on a cruise, a vacation given to us as a gift by our children. I never thought I might be bumped. Yet I also have to admit I never read all the disclosures from the cruise line we used.

Neither did Doe, the manager of the travel agency that made the arrangements for Kalin and Kunzler. But subsequently, she said, she did notice a disclosure in the cruise line's promotional material.

Although the cruise line said in that disclosure that it would try to "minimize" bumping, the company said it can withdraw accommodations -even after space has been booked and confirmed, and tickets issued.

Sevcik said: "We certainly don't like to find ourselves in this situation.

It's rare, but it does happen from time to time. We understand how people need to make their travel plans."

Terry Donegan


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-05-2000 04:17 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not understand why someone has to be 'bumped' from a cruise ship? Why oversell?

In the UK if a passenger pulls out of there holiday early on, they still loose their entire deposit (10-15%). If they pull out late, they will loose thier whole holiday payment.

Even if passengers don't turn up, the cabins have still been paid for. It sounds like a case of greedy Cruise lines to me?


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Mercy
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posted 06-05-2000 04:39 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am shocked! I have never heard of this before. Thank Goodness it never happened to us! One of our cruises was cancelled with only two weeks notice before sailing. That was mechanical failure on the ship. Each cabin is numbered. They MUST know when they are all filled up? I think they should not be allowed to do this. Also, you have to be careful about 1/2 off offers from Cruise Lines. Sometimes they give you 1/2 off the highest brochure rate, which we all know is about twice what we can buy it for in most cases. It is better to get a two for one price. Whatever you pay for the cabin you get a second person for free. Also it takes the cruise lines many weeks to refund the money you gave them for the cruise. I am curious how many weeks it took for them to get their money back? Now this will give me something else to worry about before a cruise
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JDCasey
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posted 06-06-2000 08:47 AM      Profile for JDCasey   Email JDCasey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The 50% off your next cruise, sounds good until you get around to reading the fine print. Half off the brochure price not the best available price. keep reading the fine print and you will find nothing off the port charges and applicable taxes on the full fare. Also, transportation to and from the port (air fare and transfers) are most probable not included in the discount. Given that these added charges may be half or more of the complete price, realistically the 50% off may actually be 25% or less.
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gizmo
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posted 06-06-2000 09:52 AM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like the airlines.
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NAL
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posted 06-06-2000 11:55 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bumping........what an ugly practice!!! In
all my years of cruising, I have heard of it
only once......and that was the Sun Princess.
The pax were bumped out of a suite, not off
the ship as stated here thankfully.
I cannot see why overbooking is done. As it
was stated above, cancelations at the last
minute should not be the cause as they are
not refundable as a rule. Even so, there is
usually a waiting list for many sailings.

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CB
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posted 06-07-2000 12:09 AM      Profile for CB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was booked on the Sea Princess inaugural and it was cancelled a couple of months before sailing. As compensation, Princess offered 25% off Love Boat rates or 50% off brochure rates. Talk about cheap. I never used it because I get better rates than that.At the time of the cancellation, I had another cruise booked on the Sun Princess-Panama Canal which I cancelled in protest and I rebooked on HAL. Both my CA and I agreed that it would have been silly for me to used the offer on the Sun Princess trip because the price she had booked it at was $400 less than 25% off the Love Boat rate.

Carnival gives the best compensation and it is the BEST method for the consumer. Carnival always give a percentage off the lowest price you can find.


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jmperry1
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posted 07-28-2000 01:37 AM      Profile for jmperry1   Email jmperry1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hadn't realized bumping was a possibility. However, I am currently the beneficiary of overbooking. After getting a fabulous rate for the Splendour of the Seas Transatlantic cruise with a best available inside cabin guarantee, my TA notified me that the ship was overbooked and other cruises were being offered at no additional cost for those willing to switch. I'm now booked on the Millenium transatlantic with a category 5 outside cabin guarantee. Needless to say, I'm very pleased.

James


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DCM
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posted 07-28-2000 08:37 AM      Profile for DCM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe I can top that one. I was booked on the Nordic Prince to Bermuda in mid Sept. 1992. Got a call from the TA about a week or so before sailing asking if I could take the cruise another week because it was overbooked. I was rebooked for mid October on the same ship / same category. I got a FULL refund excluding port charges for the original sailing. The new cruise cost me nothing except the unrefunded port charges. Hard to beat a 7 day Bermuda cruise for $89. Besides that, I still got the free bus from Phila, PA / Wilm, DE to NYC. Too bad this doesn't happen more often for those of us that are flexible with their travel plans.

[This message has been edited by DCM (edited 07-28-2000).]


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DianaD
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posted 07-28-2000 12:36 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Terry did you have a cabin number or was your cabin a guarantee?
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Terry
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posted 07-28-2000 01:51 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DianaD:

It wasn't me. I was quoting a news report.

Terry Donegan


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Fanatic
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posted 07-28-2000 02:24 PM      Profile for Fanatic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In his "The Only Way to Cross", John Maxtone-Graham wrote that on rare occasions, for a transatlantic crossing, a cabin might be double-booked (especially during high season) but this had nothing to do with "over-booking" - it was an error of a short agent. The lines rectified this by granting the earlier-dated ticekt the right to the cabin, and the double-booked persons would be given whatever available cabin there was (imagine being given a suite, or upgraded from Tourist Third or Second to First) ----- AND A FULL REFUND OF THEIR CROSSING FARE. Businesses had morals and ethics back then.

Fanatic


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