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Terry
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posted 08-11-2000 09:45 AM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The Daily Herald" has reported that Carnival is to cease using St Marteen as a caribbean port of call.

===start===
Carnival Cruise Lines gone!

PHILIPSBURG--St. Maarten suffered a major blow yesterday when Carnival Cruise Lines, the largest cruise line in the world, announced that it had dropped St. Maarten from its itinerary.

The Carnival Cruise Lines ship "Fascination" will, as of April 1, 2001, no longer make its weekly stops in St. Maarten. Instead, Carnival has chosen to replace St. Maarten with port calls to St. Kitts and St. Barths.

The terrible news was broken yesterday via letter to Commissioner of Tourism Theo Heyliger, who was visibly dismayed by the decision. The move came after several warnings by the cruise line, the Florida Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA) and Heyliger himself.

The loss of Fascination translates into St. Maarten losing approximately 100,000 passengers annually, 2,400 per week, and US $10 million annually in revenue.

"In direct revenue for the harbour, which makes it feasible for us to pay back our loans, this means a loss of close to $1 million a year. This would of course endanger future projects that still need to happen within the harbour complex itself," Heyliger said.

The main reason stipulated by Carnival about its decision is the constant harassment its passengers have to endure when disembarking at Captain Hodge Wharf. This harassment comes from taxi drivers, car rental operators and from other individuals to whom Heyliger referred as "radical people."

In addition to Carnival Cruise Lines, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines' ship Enchantment of the Seas has also submitted various complaint letters about the situation at Captain Hodge Wharf. These complaints have been echoed by NCL, owner of the Norway, whose crew members were recently verbally assaulted by people on the pier using profanity and obscene language.

"This is becoming an extremely frustrating issue to deal with. Tourism is supposed to be our livelihood and yet we are doing everything that is possible to destroy that livelihood," Heyliger said.

Commissioner Heyliger fears the worst case scenario, which could see Royal Caribbean and NCL following the lead of Carnival Cruise Lines by ceasing their port calls to St. Maarten.

Carnival Cruise Lines also felt that every possibility should have been in place to ensure that its passengers could get to Philipsburg from the new harbour facilities. Heyliger explained that while the taxis are available, as well as tendering from the pier into Philipsburg, Carnival had additionally preferred a way which would have allowed their passengers to walk into town at their own leisurely pace.

"This was one of the reasons why months ago I brought up the suggestion of the boardwalk, which met with opposition," Heyliger said. "Hopefully, now it will take a situation like this to bring some of the things I have been calling for and, as people would say, bring reasoning to my `madness.' It is not only my vision, but a vision that our partners in the cruise industry have been screaming for," Heyliger said.

The Commissioner was further informed by Carnival Cruises that St. Maarten had lost the attraction it once had. Not only physical attraction, but the fact that there is little or no marketing of the island in the major tourism markets.

He disclosed that St. Maarten had a tourism marketing budget of US $120,000, drastically cut from US $5 million. Being quite frank, Heyliger said this amount was ridiculous and not even enough for a bad promotional commercial in the foreign tourism markets.

He admitted that he was not pleased with the budget he had been given to work with. If this budget were to be increased, discussions would first have to take place among his colleagues in the Executive Council.

Heyliger stated that if everyone, including Government, wants a secure future for St. Maarten, then priorities will have to be examined and changed. "Because tourism is our life, plain and simple. US $120,000 will not get the job done."

"We as a people have to wake up and smell the coffee. Other islands want our business. There are other avenues for the ships and their passengers to explore. I don't want the people to think that we have something so incredible on this island that we can afford for tourists to not come here," the Commissioner stressed.

He continued: "We can't have the attitude that we have to stand up and fight these people at every turn and not have these guests come to the island. It is very simple: Carnival Cruise Lines means 100,000 passengers on an annual basis. You're standing up to them demanding this and that; when the day comes that we have no tourists, then what do we do? In the end it is not only detrimental for St. Maarten, but for taxi drivers, business owners, everybody," he concluded.

The Daily Herald learned late last night that leader of Government Commissioner Sarah Wescott-Williams had called an emergency meeting for this morning to discuss the issue. Whether or not government will be able to salvage anything is doubtful, however, since Carnival has not indicated that it will resume port calls anytime in the near future.

===ends===

Terry Donegan


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sympatico
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posted 08-11-2000 10:17 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Terry - That's very interesting. I wonder if HAL will also pull out as they are a subsiduary of Carnival. I haven't been to St. Maarten since the new dock was built, but I hated tendering at this island. Sometimes it was very, very dangerous and often tendering had to be suspended due to the high swells. The dock sounded like a great idea, but if passengers, crew, etc. are being harrassed at every turn, it's not worth going in there. The harrassment is one of the reasons I will no longer go to Jamaica.
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Gripsholm
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posted 08-11-2000 11:25 AM      Profile for Gripsholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Visited St Maarten recently with the S/S Norway. I was surprised by the amount of extremely rude and unfriendly people. The island is pretty but I would not say it is "special". I think Carnival has done the right thing - there are a lot of other interesting islands in the Caribbean to explore.

Gripsholm


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Mary
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posted 08-11-2000 12:00 PM      Profile for Mary   Email Mary   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although I'm not a Carnival customer I think it's a definite loss to the Carnival passengers. I loved St. Maarten when the Monarch docked there several years ago on our cruise through the area. I don't specifically remember hawkers at the docks but I guess they were there. I remember doing most of our shopping there. We have since docked at Jamaica and they MUST have the hassling record!
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tg_lindo
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posted 08-11-2000 12:15 PM      Profile for tg_lindo   Email tg_lindo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where is the new dock in relation to the tendering pier in Phillipsburg?

Gripsholm, does Norway still use the pier adjacent to the town square?


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Gripsholm
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posted 08-11-2000 01:30 PM      Profile for Gripsholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, they still use it.

Gripsholm


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-11-2000 06:16 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem of harassment will quickly be resolved if the major cruise lines pull out. There will suddenly be a strong incentive for the authorities to take action.
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bonny
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posted 08-12-2000 12:17 AM      Profile for bonny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We were in St. Marteen last week on the Fascination. We weren't harrassed at all. Only one cab driver asked us if we needed acab. We have been to St. Marteen several times. It is a beautiful island, one of my favorites. Maybe the cruiselines aren't get enough of a kick back from this island? If you want to see really bad harrassment, go to Dominica or Jamaica.
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Terry
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posted 08-12-2000 06:02 AM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It looks like the "DAILY HERALD" were a bit too soon off the mark with this story! Here is their follow-up.

===starts===

Carnival Cruise Lines not
gone, merely replacing

PHILIPSBURG--Carnival Cruise Lines has not dropped St. Maarten from its itineraries completely. Jennifer de la Cruz, the company's spokesperson, speaking from Miami, told The Daily Herald yesterday that the cruise line is indeed stopping its ship Fascination from coming to St. Maarten, but only to replace it with another new cruise ship, the Spirit.

St. Maarten will not be featured on any of the cruise line's itineraries from April till November 2001. "But we have already scheduled the Spirit to call in St. Maarten on a seasonal basis, starting November 2001," De la Cruz said.

Weighing 84,000 tons and accommodating 2,124 passengers, the ship--which is now being built and which will be launched by early 2001--is slightly bigger than the Fascination, which can carry 2,040 passengers.

According to De la Cruz, Carnival is trying out a completely fresh unique approach that involves shifting a variety of ships from their regular itineraries and adding a couple of new ports.

"Where St. Maarten is concerned there were some issues of concern, but this decision was primarily based on a new marketing strategy," De la Cruz said. She declined to make any comments as to what those "issues" involved.

The Fascination, which had been calling in St. Maarten once a week, will continue calling until April next year, after which it will be replaced by the Holiday.

However, St. Maarten will not be included in the itinerary of the Holiday, as that ship will be used for the company's new "unusual" six-port itinerary. This itinerary will include St. Kitts and St. Barths. "The Holiday is a smaller ship that accommodates 1,452 passengers, if there are two in every room," De la Cruz said.

===ends===

Terry Donegan

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posted 08-12-2000 10:08 AM      Profile for hooked on cruising   Email hooked on cruising   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We went to St Marteen on March break and agree with bonnie that we were not harassed at all. We couldn't agree more with her about Dominica. We were followed by some really scary looking guys. we were harassed for money or cigs. We were even offered drugs which really made us mad and my husband told the guy to get lost. We were followed back to the ship. We were never so glad to see anything as the ship and it certainly made us cut our visit on the island short.
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Mercy
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posted 08-13-2000 12:46 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good for Carnival Cruise lines!!!
It is nice to see them put the passengers and crew first. I have heard that St.Barths is nice. I also think Ocho Rios should be dropped. It was a scary place

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mrblanche
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posted 08-14-2000 10:13 AM      Profile for mrblanche   Email mrblanche   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems to me that if they want to avoid passenger harassment, Jamaica would be the island to drop!
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Bellagay
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posted 08-14-2000 06:57 PM      Profile for Bellagay   Email Bellagay   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thoroughly agree about Jamaica. It is horrible.......in fact, the last time we were there, I didn't even get off the ship. HAL should drop them.
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Ascendancy
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posted 08-18-2000 02:27 PM      Profile for Ascendancy   Email Ascendancy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was never harrassed at St Maarten. The only thing that bothered me about that place was too many nude beaches.
If I want to see pieces and parts I go to the State Fair and check out the cows and horses for crying out loud.



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NAbbott
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posted 08-18-2000 03:08 PM      Profile for NAbbott   Email NAbbott   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The harressment that you speak of, is it people trying to sell stuff or is it abuse?

We will be cruising on the Norway in about 5 weeks and I would like to be prepared.

Does anyone have suggestions as to what excursions are the best?

Thanks
Nancy


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sympatico
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posted 08-18-2000 03:31 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NAbbott - we have taken an excursion over to the French town of Marigot on a boat leaving from Simpson Bay, looked around the town (very expensive) and then gone to a small island for swimming. This we did a couple of times and enjoyed it although you have to watch your rum punch for if you put your cup down in the sand, the chickens wandering around will come and have a drink. We also took the excurion to Orient Beach twice and enjoyed it also and the lunch that was provided. The only problem I found here is that if it is windy there is a strong undertow and they advise against swimming. Both times we were there we were not able to go in the water.
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CB
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posted 08-19-2000 12:24 AM      Profile for CB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't care for any of the Mexican ports of call but I always enjoy all the Caribbean ports. So just think, if the lines drop ports due to all these suggestions, they will need to lobby Congress pretty hard so that we can cruise to American ports only where no one will harrass us.
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posted 08-19-2000 11:57 AM      Profile for K&K   Email K&K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CB: Have you walked the streets of America lately! Especially in a tourest area.
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CTrail
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CB, who says that we would like to cruise to American Ports.

Haveagoodone.

Peter


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KruzinKat
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posted 08-21-2000 02:32 PM      Profile for KruzinKat   Email KruzinKat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read a cute comment recently - a quote, I believe, but don't remember the author. Basically, the idea was that many Americans love to take foreign vacations, but then are disappointed to find the locations so "foreign." As in any location you have never been - whether in the U.S. or elsewhere - one should always be cautious and use common sense. And when "elsewhere" - enjoy and learn from the difference!

KruzinKat

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posted 10-20-2000 02:06 PM      Profile for Snick500   Email Snick500   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was just on a Monarch (RCI) cruise and we stopped on St. Maarten. We were tendered in but it proved to be no big deal as the weather was real nice. We experienced no problem with the people at all. They were friendly and I just loved the beach right at the dock. I walked along it and got some of the best sea shells I have ever seen. I would love to hunt for some more there. We took a bus tour over to the French side and I found the people over there less friendly. Maybe it was just because they couldn't communicate as much with us.
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