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topgun
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posted 08-04-2001 05:20 PM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am curious about the life and background of cruise directors. Can anybody ( Barryboat comes to mind) give some answers?

1 Why do most cruise directors seem to come from the UK ?

2 Is there any formal training plan and schooling attended to qualify? How does one get into the profession?

3 It seems a high pressure type career. Is there a high burnout rate?

4 It seems a young persons career. What would a cruise director do after going ashore?

5 In the pecking order onboard, where do they stack up relative to other onboard managers?

6 What sort of income do they make?

7 Do they stick with one cruise line, or move around?

That seems enough to get started. I will be interested to get informed input.
Thanks.

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: topgun ]


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Green
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posted 08-04-2001 10:43 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting topic. I don't believe anyone starts out as a Cruise Director - seems to me they must work up to that position.

A second cousin of mine with an Hons. Arts Degree from Manchester University worked for a time with DisneyWorld in Paris - he has great language skills - then for a short time he joined one of the smaller cruise lines in the Cruise Show area - he danced, was extremely athletic and, above all, truly enjoyed working with people. He's good looking, has personality plus, great sense of humor, a ready answer for most comments and/or questions. Life at sea was not for him - he's now with Intel - travels the world - hiring and firing.

I'll be most interested in what others have to say.


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posted 08-04-2001 11:00 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
#1. I don't know....I have noticed that Cruise Directors usually come from UK, Austrailia or USA.

#2. As far as I know there is no school for Cruise Directors. Cruise Directors usually start out as an entertainer, or work their way up the ranks from Cruise Staff. Usually it works this way: Cruise Staff > Assistant Cruise Director > Cruise Director. To get into this profession you must be a high-energy person who loves to entertain people. Also must have excellent Public relations skills, and be able to effectively manage a staff of 20-30 people. Have good organizational skills. Be very comfortable hosting and MCing for large groups of people.

#3. Yes there is a high burn-out rate. It is a high-pressure position. You are ON 24/7. Vacations are every 3 months or so.

#4. It's not necessarily a young person's job, but it does take someone who has a high level of energy to keep up with the fast-paced lifestyle on a cruise ship. Sometimes it's a thankless job too. When a Cruise Director goes ashore for vacation, he takes care of personal business, visits family, relaxes, reads, does absolutely nothing, goes to movies, hangs out with friends. If you're asking what a Cruise Director does when no longer working on the ships....that's a good question. Some start cruise-only travel businesses, or they may move into a more corporate position shore-side training other staff etc.

#5. Usually it is in this order: Captain > Hotel Manager > Cruise Director > Purser > Food & Beverage Manager.....

#6. $3,500 - $8,500 month cash

#7. Usually a good Cruise Director will stick with one cruise line.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-05-2001 09:48 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by topgun:
1 Why do most cruise directors seem to come from the UK ?

Because us Brits have a great sense of humour!

Someone told me that Cruise Directors can be higher paid that the Captain's?


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posted 08-05-2001 10:23 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barryboat:
Purser & F/B Mngr do not come under the C.D., they are all on teh same level and report directly to the Hotel Manager.

malcolm:
indeed many CDs do out like bandits, however these days teh companies have taken over. In the old days a CD would auction off booze, jewellery, t-shirst which he got from the merchants for free. he would get kick-backs from store owners, absed on the volume of busniness they did, especially in St.Thomas, each box of liquor send to the vessel the CD would get $1.oo!!!! all of this is now OUT, yes if a CD is known for taking any monies, that is a cause ofr immediate dismissal.
As for brits having thee best humor?? this may be so, but the yanks do not like nor understand the humor.
The best paid onboard these days are the Maitre'd on alrge vessels. not only do they collect tips, but they also take monies from their waiters and busboys. If they want a day off, a larger station, no extra duties, they may and yes must pay for those priviledges. with ships having a waiting staff of 250 persons, that can add up to some serious money.
What background must a C.D. have:
most have been entertainers, singers or musicians in most cases. spending years onboard working up the ladder unless you have been a star ashore, such as Freddie Davies, yes THE Parrot man, who was C.D. with Regency Cruises.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-05-2001 10:34 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by locarno:
...unless you have been a star ashore, such as Freddie Davies, yes THE Parrot man, who was C.D. with Regency Cruises.

So that's where he disappeared too!


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posted 08-05-2001 11:14 AM      Profile for cruznut6   Author's Homepage   Email cruznut6   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
orginally posted by locarno:
quote:

As for brits having thee best humor?? this may be so, but the yanks do not like nor understand the humor.
quote:

As a Yank, I'll admit I don't understand much regarding British humor, but 2 of my favorite shows from there were "Monty Python's Flying Circus" and "Benny Hill". Loved them both Great comedy and timing!

Regards...Bob


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-05-2001 01:32 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hang on..if American's did not understand the jokes of British cruise directors, the cruise director would soon be out of a job!

Although I agree that America and Britain do have different cultures and comedy, there can be a cross over.

Although we get many American comedy shows here in the UK, someone in Amrican TV decides that our comedy is not suitable for the USA! You have missed out on a lot of wonderful shows! Monty Python and Benny Hill are just two of many.


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posted 08-05-2001 01:55 PM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the British have a good sense of homour. The assistant cruise director on the Tropicale in 1998 was a riot!!! Here in the US we have many old British comedies on PBS. We especially enjoy, Faulty Towers, Are You Being Served and I forget the name but it's about Mrs. Bucket, ie. Bouquet LOL
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posted 08-05-2001 03:05 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by geno-r:
I think the British have a good sense of homour. The assistant cruise director on the Tropicale in 1998 was a riot!!! Here in the US we have many old British comedies on PBS. We especially enjoy, Faulty Towers, Are You Being Served and I forget the name but it's about Mrs. Bucket, ie. Bouquet LOL

"Mrs Bucket" is in Keeping up Appearances. My favourite, which is on every week day, is "Waiting for God" - also As Time Goes By, One Foot In the Grave and many more that we get here in Toronto via PBS from Buffalo! What do you say, Malcolm?


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Paddy
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posted 08-05-2001 04:04 PM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very true. Modern British sitcoms never get on American tv quite simply becasue they are sh***...not very good! Barbara. Babes in the wood. Sam's Game. Shudder shudder shudder! But the old one's were brilliant - Keeping Up Appearances, Waiting for God, One foot in the grave etc. Love them to bits. I have to admit though that I am a great fan of Absolutely Fabulous and the Vicar Of Dibley. But the Americans do it so much better: Frasier, Will & Grace, and Friends. I love it!

Paddy.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-05-2001 05:13 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, our old sitcoms were much better than our new ones. 'Dad's Army', 'Steptoe & Son', and 'Till Death Do Us Part' were brilliant, but very English.

I've no idea what this has to do with cruising...ah yes, British Cruise Directors!


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posted 08-05-2001 05:29 PM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the comment Malcom. The subject has been massacred but I am enjoying the input.
Anyone know who Tarquin is ,or was? I was thinking of adopting it as a second name.

To keep on topic, I think that some of these Britcoms should be added to onboard TV viewing;

Only dogs and horses
Britass Empire
two Ronnies
Ello Ello
Some mothers do ave em
Thin blue line

Any more?

[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: topgun ]


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Green
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posted 08-05-2001 06:35 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by topgun:
Thanks for the comment Malcom. The subject has been massacred but I am enjoying the input.
Anyone know who Tarquin is ,or was? I was thinking of adopting it as a second name.

To keep on topic, I think that some of these Britcoms should be added to onboard TV viewing;

Only dogs and horses
Britass Empire
two Ronnies
Ello Ello
Some mothers do ave em
Thin blue line

Any more?

[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: topgun ]


I'd opt for - favourites mentioned by sympatico and Paddy - plus -
Some mothers do ave em -
Two Ronnies -
Only dogs and horses -
and what about Dame Edna?

On a cruise, who needs all the'blood and thunder'?


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Marina
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posted 08-06-2001 03:13 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
english sitcoms are very good, several in fact have been copied/adapted by us-tv.
Faulty tower was really good, as most situations could have happend onbaord a cruise ship as well.
As for FREDDIE DAVIES, he had left Regency long before they went down and returned to England, where he is now operating a charming country-inn.

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posted 08-06-2001 09:23 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Paddy:
Very true. Modern British sitcoms never get on American tv quite simply becasue they are sh***...not very good!

I am addicted to The Vicar of Dibley, Chef and Saunders and French...is there any way to get tapes of the Dibley shows...I was into Eastenders for a while, but it's hard to follow...


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topgun
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posted 08-06-2001 10:30 AM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rex, I just went into the search engine for British Broadcasting Corporation.
Theres plenty there that may help.
I believe that tapes can be odered from 'Lionheart' a US marketing facility for BBC
Meantime, try this BBC website to go back in time. I found bits from 'Hancocks Half Hour', Ello Ello, etc. Had to pull myself away from it to get on with the rest of my work.

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posted 08-06-2001 11:25 AM      Profile for CTrail     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about, On The Buses.

I'm just not sure how we could fit all of this TV watching in when we're hardly ever in our cabin.

TVisnotbadbutcruisin'ismuchbetter.

Peter


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posted 08-09-2001 03:26 PM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by topgun:
Thanks for the comment Malcom. The subject has been massacred but I am enjoying the input.
Anyone know who Tarquin is ,or was? I was thinking of adopting it as a second name.

To keep on topic, I think that some of these Britcoms should be added to onboard TV viewing;

Only dogs and horses
Britass Empire
two Ronnies
Ello Ello
Some mothers do ave em
Thin blue line

Any more?

[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: topgun ]


British comedies are the best! But then again, i'm a Yank, so what do i know?

P.S. I thought the title of the show was "Only FOOLS and Horses."

[ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: colt ]


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topgun
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posted 08-09-2001 05:03 PM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Colt.You are right. By the way, I believe that Tarquin is Mrs Buckets sons friend . I think that he majored in needlepoint or something like that at the polytechnic. Anyway, I always thought that it was a good name
Happy cruising

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posted 08-10-2001 08:30 AM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by topgun:
Colt.You are right. By the way, I believe that Tarquin is Mrs Buckets sons friend . I think that he majored in needlepoint or something like that at the polytechnic. Anyway, I always thought that it was a good name
Happy cruising

I believe you are correct, that "Tarquin" is the name of Sheridan's friend. Never thought about it until you brought it up, but i like that name as well.

Does anyone know if we ever get to see Sheridan in the series Keeping Up Appearances? Also, not sure which of the two "Rose"s i preferred. They were both great.

Other great British comedies:

What about "Good Neighbours" with Penelope Keith and the other actors/actresses whose names i cannot recall?

Mr. Bean
Red Dwarf
To the Manor Born
Rising Damp
A Fine Romance
Last of the Summer Wine
Yes, Prime Minister!
Are You Being Served?
As Time Goes By


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posted 08-10-2001 08:51 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the info, Topgun, I will look into it...AFTER MY CRUISE! EXCITED!

But seriously, if "Steptoe & Son" and "Till Death do us Part" sound familiar to Yankees, it's because they were "Americanized" into "Sanford & Son" and "All in the Family" respectively...I also think "Three's Company" was based on the English show "A Man In The House", but don't quote me...


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posted 08-10-2001 09:22 AM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Green:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by topgun:
[qb]Thanks for the comment Malcom. The subject has been massacred but I am enjoying the input.
Anyone know who Tarquin is ,or was? I was thinking of adopting it as a second name.

To keep on topic, I think that some of these Britcoms should be added to onboard TV viewing;

Only dogs and horses
Britass Empire
two Ronnies
Ello Ello
Some mothers do ave em
Thin blue line

Any more?

[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: topgun ]


I'd opt for - favourites mentioned by sympatico and Paddy - plus -
Some mothers do ave em -
Two Ronnies -
Only dogs and horses -
and what about Dame Edna?

On a cruise, who needs all the'blood and thunder'?[/QB][/QUOTE]

Dame Edna is a wicked hoot!


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posted 08-10-2001 09:56 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by colt:
I believe you are correct, that "Tarquin" is the name of Sheridan's friend. Never thought about it until you brought it up, but i like that name as well.

Does anyone know if we ever get to see Sheridan in the series Keeping Up Appearances? Also, not sure which of the two "Rose"s i preferred. They were both great.


There is a 2 part episode of Hyacinth, Richard, Onslow and Daisy that is filmed on the QE2 with the typical antics.

The son Sheridan never expressed any interest in women.

Patricia Routledge is in the British series Hetty Wainthropp Investigates. She is a completely different character; a great actress.

Clive Swift is in many London plays.

I think Geoffrey Hughes who plays Onslow would be a great ship stand-up comedian


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posted 08-10-2001 11:20 AM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that the best comment came from Onslow on the QE2 when he was invited to dine at the captains table.
His answer: "I don't normally like to eat with the crew"

Was it reeally QE2, I thought it looked like a P&O ship.

Did they use actors or the real Captain and first officer?


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