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Commodore
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posted 05-28-2002 01:12 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I often draw ships, which don't exisit.I try to make make them ideal,good-looking,ingenious,etc.Unfortunately, 1 I don't have a scanner 2 I don't know how to post photos 3 I can't draw very well at all.I thought I would start this thread for scetches of the ideal ship, all of which must be made up.In the meantime, with some instructions on how to post photos, I can acess a scanner.So, let's try it!
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-28-2002 01:54 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
[QB]I often draw ships, which don't exisit.[QB]

Have you seen a Doctor about this? (Only Joking! )

I recently purchased a combined Scanner/Ink-Jet Printer. It's wonderful! It takes up minimal desk space, was not too expensive and can be used as a Black & White or Colour Photocopier!

HP and Lexmark make them, amoungst others.


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cruiseny
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posted 05-28-2002 02:59 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Every once in a blue moon, I get the urge to put my ideas into hard copy. Within five minutes, I stop, having succeeded in reaffirming in my mind that I could not draw for my life, and making my artistic side content for the next few months.

I happen to have had some distant, deceased relatives who were rather famous artists, and made beautiful works. However, I do not think I have inherited that.

You could say that I am into arts, because I am quite proficient, if I may say so myself, in photography. But drawing, no way.

And for those of you who are interested, I am still planning on getting a scanner, sometime or another, maybe next week, month, year...

By the way, if you do want a scanner, they can be had pretty cheap now, maybe $100 or so, from Epson and Canon.

With Epson, if you aren't too serious about image quality, you can get a USB flatbed scanner and a six-color inkjet for about $100 each.

With computers at the rate they now are, you can get a so-so imaging system, complete with scanner, printer, and display, for maybe $800.

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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Britanis
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posted 05-28-2002 03:14 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too dabble in drawing ships, but I rarely advance my ideas beyond rough sketches. I get the general idea down on paper, then quit (partly because I would have no use for a final draft, and partly because I find it hard to justify devoting such time and enery to a work of fancy.) There is an artist in Canada, Michael Cook, who does some really excellent work, I' currently having rouble acessing his website, but I think the adress is [URLhttp://members.rogers.com/ve9rms/pageright.htm[/URL] On this forum, we have at leat two very talented and accomplished ship styleists, Eric Cruises and Draikar- perhaps they could be persuaded to post a few here?

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Commodore
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posted 05-28-2002 03:57 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't draw for my life either.As for the ships that don't exist bit, well I just have an urge for the perfect ship.Perhaps, you should try Malcolm, it's really interesting, and I'm sure that your work will prouldy wear your name all over. Well, so far I have made sketches that range in similarities from the Achille Lauro to the Delta Queen hovercraft thing ! Since I can easily acess a scanner, with some help on how to use it, I'll try to post my pictures A.S.A.P.
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posted 05-29-2002 03:13 PM      Profile for titanicsteve   Email titanicsteve   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny enough I do that too!!!!!!! I went to this site where you can draw your own screen saver - guess what I drew ahaha!? Yes a cruise ship and it looks so cool, even has portholes! Yes I know I am sad!
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Commodore
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posted 05-29-2002 04:19 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, does anyone want to try doing it, and then post the drawing on this thread?
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desirod7
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posted 05-29-2002 04:57 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
3 I can't draw very well at all.I thought I would start this thread for scetches of the ideal ship, all of which must be made up

Hi Commodore,

I recall from your previous posts that you are still a teenager. It is not to late to learn to draw.

The neurons in the brain of a teen are very receptive to developing talent. PBS had a special on this.

I learned in High School, then onto college where I got a design degree. Since I draw lights and lighting all day usually I am too tired to sketch ships.

Most of ships today are drawn on 3d CAD. The compound [called boolean sections] curves of a hull are done in milleseconds that would take months by hand with higher math.

The New York State University system has a Maritime College with a Naval Architecture degree.

From New Jersey, New York and Philly have great art schools, Pratt [I went to], Parsons, SVA, Philadelphia University, University of the Arts, and more.

If you love it go for it.

A classmate/neighbor of mine worked as a designer for American Coastal Drydock in Brooklyn, till they went bust. Went on a sea trial for a Navy ship Then got a job at Pan Am doing Aircraft interiors, they went bust

Do Gohaze, Baker, Norman Warren, and NZMike know of other academic programs for those that want to be ship designers or Naval architects?

Not me, I am too far into my career. Maybe if I were 17

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Commodore
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posted 05-29-2002 06:40 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually,
I will celebrate my 11th birthday in July.I geuss I well draw better, but most people in my family draw diagrams best!

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gohaze
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posted 05-29-2002 07:25 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi.. the main one in Canada for that is probably the Marine Institute at Memorial University in St.Johns, Newfoundland. They used to have 'distance education' courses. The address will be on Google.
peter

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Britanis
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posted 05-29-2002 08:42 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Commodore, from your postings I had assumed you were much older. You are very eloquent and well-informed by any standard, especially for a ten-year old! Stick with the drawing, who knows, if you like it, it could become a career.
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Ðraikar
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posted 05-29-2002 11:06 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had done some drawings but I gave it up to do digital work. I would love to get back to pencil sketches of ships. I have a page of just my drawings made to look like old postcard at
http://members.aol.com/drawmasterx/ships.html
I often take that page offline but I seem too always publish it back online.

Ðraikar.


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Eric Cruises
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posted 05-30-2002 12:33 AM      Profile for Eric Cruises   Author's Homepage   Email Eric Cruises   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Friends

I often design or draw cruise ships and global them with a fake cruise line "Eric Cruises Corp."

http://travel.to/ericcruises

I design the ship on the white paper, then scan it into my computer and use photo shop to make some beauty job to make the ship more "Real"

Thank You for your comments!

This is one of my fleet, 170,000grt Eric NorwayII

25,000grt Eric FairPrincess(ex.Fair Princess)

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jeffrossatsea
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posted 05-30-2002 02:15 AM      Profile for jeffrossatsea   Email jeffrossatsea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i love to doodle ships and try and design what i would like.....if i like the design....i go ahead and build it......doodle drawing to model in about 3 months....jeff
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cruiseny
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posted 05-30-2002 11:09 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

quote:
Originally posted by Eric Cruises:
Dear Friends

I often design or draw cruise ships and global them with a fake cruise line "Eric Cruises"

http://travel.to/ericcruises

I design the ship on the white paper, then scan it into my computer and use photo shop to make some beauty job to make the ship more "Real"

Thank You for your comments!


Very nice, I like that design. Combines the modern and traditional!

There are lots of people's own cruise ship designs here, including Eric's.

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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Commodore
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posted 05-30-2002 04:56 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, most people would think I'm older,
I am very good with facts,etc.I'm not good at much else.Anyway, by the end of the week, I'll have my sketch posted,I hope.This thread is becoming popular...

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cruiseny
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posted 05-30-2002 07:58 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
Well, most people would think I'm older,
I am very good with facts,etc.I'm not good at much else.Anyway, by the end of the week, I'll have my sketch posted,I hope.This thread is becoming popular...

I'll be interested to see your sketch... Did you get a scanner?

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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Commodore
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posted 05-31-2002 05:57 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, CruiseNY,
I didn't, but I can use one in my father's office in the next room over.I lost the drawing,which will cause delay.

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cruiseny
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posted 06-01-2002 08:03 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
No, CruiseNY,
I didn't, but I can use one in my father's office in the next room over.I lost the drawing,which will cause delay.

Oh. One room over is not much of a trek.

I know some of you have been awaiting, or dreading, this moment, but yesterday I bit the bullet, and got a new printer, and a scanner.

Both of them are extraordinary, in their quality, and in the prices I paid.

I scanned what I considered to be a "keeper" 35mm color print into my $99 scanner, and printed it on my $159 printer, and, with the exception of the fact that I used matte paper for the inkjet print, and glossy for the original, they looked the same!

No little dots of ink, pixels, grain, noise, whatever you want to call it, to be seen - anywhere!

And all this, just plugs into a neat little USB hub I got on my desk (computer doesn't have enough USB ports).

Last scanner I used, was an expensive SCSI model from a few years ago, that needed installation of a board into the computer, and other things...

With the matching HP printer, quality was mediocre.

And it was such a pain to use I abandoned it.

The new ones (by Epson) are soooo much better!

So you will be seeing photos of mine popping up over the next few weeks.

I'm hoping to put up a BIG review of my 2000 Med trip with perhaps hundred or more photos...

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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gohaze
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posted 06-01-2002 10:43 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NY...congrats. Now you can go broke keeping ink in the printer.
One of the best and certainly the cheapest in the long run is Canon. Some of their models use seperate tanks for each colour, so you have 4 altogether (there's an expensive one with 6) When you recharge each one when it runs out you realise how much expensive ink you have been throwing away. I get mine in bulk and find that of the colours, blue goes first followed by red and very little yellow.
Must have saved $1000s over the years.
...peter

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cruiseny
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posted 06-01-2002 11:05 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gohaze:
NY...congrats. Now you can go broke keeping ink in the printer.
One of the best and certainly the cheapest in the long run is Canon. Some of their models use seperate tanks for each colour, so you have 4 altogether (there's an expensive one with 6) When you recharge each one when it runs out you realise how much expensive ink you have been throwing away. I get mine in bulk and find that of the colours, blue goes first followed by red and very little yellow.
Must have saved $1000s over the years.
...peter

Canon makes very good printers in what you might call the "office machines" category. They now have a nice one called the S750 that's about $200 (US) and it is a good four color printer.

For real photo printing, just about everyone uses Epson. Firstly, they just make the best photo printers.

Secondly if you are into digital cameras (I'm not really, yet) all of the big brands (except Canon of course) have their cameras calibrated to print on Epson printers. They record numerous data in the memory card that the printer reads.

Other brands do not read this data, and you have to do a lot of "fiddling."

Epson ink (I don't know if this is also true of Canon, I know it is NOT true of HP) is instantly dry. Actually it takes 1/100th of a second to be completely dry. So if your paper starts stacking in the output tray, no smears, etc.

I could go on and on, but then I risk sounding like an advertisment (if I don't already).

Bottom line, I am very satisfied.

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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posted 06-06-2002 06:55 PM      Profile for FunShipPete   Email FunShipPete   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seeing as I'm going to the Webb Institute next year to study naval architecture, I'm a hopeful future Carnival Corp. architect. I first used AutoCAD [great program that works fast, but is incredibly inefficient for architecture - better for mechanical drawing], then VectorWorks [better than A-CAD for architecture, but the Premier Cruises of architecture programs], and ArchiCAD [the Cunard of architecture programs]. ArchiCAD is incredibly user friendly and is an industry standard for land based architecture [though that makes it hard to do ship stuff]! Anyway, I hope to one day design the largest cruise ship [a little naive I know but something to dream about]... so of course I tinker in there. I abide by all of the SOLAS regulations I know of... though I'm sure that a real architect would laugh at the plans upon seeing them, as I've really no clue what I'm doing heh. But what the heck. A few renderings are below. My friend has offered me the name CARNIVAL EXUBERANCE for the ship.

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Britanis
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posted 06-06-2002 07:18 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like that name. "Carnival Exuberance"- has a nice ring to it. I too hope to be a naval architect one day, but i'm afraid nothing in my portfolio is anywhere near as professional-looking as those renderings. Good job! I wonder if Arison reads this board??
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posted 06-06-2002 07:36 PM      Profile for FunShipPete   Email FunShipPete   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Britanis... I didn't suspect there were other young posters out there... I'm 18 and as I said going to Webb. What are your aspirations and age? Nice meeting you!
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posted 06-06-2002 08:07 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi FunShipPete; I'm 17, and I've been interested in architecture since I was 8, and ships since I was 10. About 5 years ago, I married the two interests and am now an aspiring naval architect. Unforunatly, my high school provides little in the way of programs and services geared to that major, and I am unsure of how to pursue it. I don't do much work on computers, my CAD programme is VERY primitive, it barely runs on my four-year old Mac. Nice to meet some one of similar age and ambitions. Good luck!
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