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Fairsky
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posted 09-06-2002 02:39 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw this news today about Celebrity... and their first attempts at moving more upscale- thanks to the influence of former Crystal Cruises managers.

What do you think of their ideas... will this finally restore dignity to Celebrity, and move it away from Royal Caribbean's mass-market appeal?

the story:


Millennium Tests Enhancements
Passengers on Celebrity's Millennium voyage departing September 23 are in for a big surprise. They're the first to experience the company's new, quite comprehensive and many-pronged plan-for-onboard enhancement that, ultimately, will encompass the entire fleet -- and may genuinely position Celebrity as a legitimate Crystal competitor, albeit with a younger passenger demographic.

The program is helmed by Celebrity's relatively new "catch." Dietmar Wertanzel, formerly a long timer with Crystal, joined the company earlier this year as senior vice president of fleet operations, overseeing both marine-oriented and hotel-oriented functions. Wertanzel, along with a gang of relatively seasoned cruise industry executives, has developed a plan to enhance everything from relaxation services to enrichment possibilities to what he calls "connections" (i.e. chances to potentially make new friends while sailing). "We want to make it [a Celebrity cruise] a little bit more like a W Hotel concept -- hip and cool but without pretension," he says. The point, of course, is not only in differentiating Celebrity from other cruise lines but also in courting an increasingly upwardly mobile middle class traveler who, in many likely forms, may never have considered a cruise before.

Bottom line? When Millennium, the "test model" for the program, starts rolling out bits and pieces of his team's program changes beginning with the September 23 voyage, they may notice a few funky features. There will be topless sunbathing (way, way up top where few of the non-intrepid care to venture). You can book a poolside massage. In hot locales, Caribbean and such, sunbathers will be presented with frosty towels. You can breakfast in the Cova Cafe and take a grand afternoon tea in the ship's hoity-toity alternative restaurant. Instead of elaborate midnight buffets the ship will instead focus on fabulous lunchtime spreads. Michael's Pub, a cigar bar and Celebrity fixture that, oddly enough, just didn't take with passengers, will be transformed into an intimate piano bar/cabaret lounge (no cigars, either).

Other test phases will roll-out on Millennium through the rest of the year and highlights, among many possibilities, include enhanced adult enrichment programs, more interesting and tempting shops in its Emporium complex, welcome champagne on embarkation, a spa cafe dinner option, poolside fashion shows and wine tasting, and a revamped sports deck. The rollout will be overseen by a "mystery" staffer, one who Wertanzel admits will bear the Crystal Cruises stamp-o-excellence (and who joins the company Monday).

The company will tweak the offerings, based on customer feedback, through the fall, and plans to introduce the program, at least in beginning stages, on a fleetwide basis on or around January 1, 2003.


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cruiseny
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posted 09-06-2002 02:49 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting - especially that they may eliminate Michael's Club. I always imagined that it was successful, as they even fitted one on Horizon and Zenith...

Notably, Crystal appears to have been successful with their version, as one ship already has it and they are fitting one to the other, as well as the new Crystal Serenity.


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lambcom
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posted 09-06-2002 03:15 PM      Profile for lambcom   Email lambcom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As someone who cruised on the Millennium in June of this year and came away underwhelmed, especially with the food, I don't want to appear cynical, but I can't help but wonder how Celebrity will cover the cost of these new "ammenties". Will they a) raise the base rate of the cruise package or b) nickel and dime the passengers with additional fees for each enhancement?
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Fairsky
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posted 09-06-2002 03:40 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lambcom:
As someone who cruised on the Millennium in June of this year and came away underwhelmed, especially with the food, I don't want to appear cynical, but I can't help but wonder how Celebrity will cover the cost of these new "ammenties". Will they a) raise the base rate of the cruise package or b) nickel and dime the passengers with additional fees for each enhancement?

Good question, lambcom. But remember that Celebrity currently prices their cruise viturally the same as Royal Caribbean, or sometimes lower in my experience.

Ultimately they want to move Celebrity into a more premium, upscale, segment- competing with the competition rather than with itself (royal caribbean). So Celebrity will offer (we can only pray) better service, amenities, and perks. And if they work Celebrity will be justified in raising their fares above current levels. (Remember a cruise line is called premium or luxury not only for what you get- but also for what you paid for it). However, if the new idea do not work and Celebrity raises fares to appear more upscale the result may be disasterous.

I hope Celebrity is able to improve their cruise product, and therefore demand a higher price for it. Doing so will truly move the line upscale, set it apart from Royal Caribbean, and make the entire company more profitable.


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posted 09-06-2002 05:16 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good news. During the management of John Chandris Celebrity Cruises achivied an excellent reputation in Italy... so it's time to restore the company to her former glory... Celebrity is too small to be a mass market cruise line ( as in the case of Costa... )... Next year I would sail on the Century: she will offer wonderful cruises roundtrip Civitavecchia... If also Italian will be spoken onboard is quite possible...
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sylvia
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posted 09-07-2002 08:03 AM      Profile for sylvia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Our family was on this ship in June also. I think it will take more than food changes to gain younger passengers--especially when they close the casino down at 1 am. I was disappointed in the food and some of the attitudes of the staff. We also used to cruise Chandris years ago and love that line. Maybe they can improve, but we are not planning to cruise again with them anytime soon.
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ocngypz
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posted 09-07-2002 01:32 PM      Profile for ocngypz   Email ocngypz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sylvia:

When the article mentioned "younger" passengers it was referring to passengers younger than those of Crystal. The vast majority of Crystal cruisers are 65 years old+.

The article was not referring to the 20-30 set.
Celebrity's core cruiser is mid-forties.


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posted 09-07-2002 02:42 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skyej:
I saw this news today about Celebrity... and their first attempts at moving more upscale...

And I thought that they were already reasonably upscale?

There will be topless sunbathing (way, way up top where few of the non-intrepid care to venture).

Now that is class! I 100% support that idea.


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sylvia
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posted 09-07-2002 06:00 PM      Profile for sylvia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't think Celebrity wanted the 20-30 year olds. My husband and I fit the age group that you mentioned and still didn't care that much for Celebrity. We have cruised many lines and while Celebrity was no quite as sedate as Holland America it was pretty close. I think Princess does a great job. I have never been on Crystal but would like to try that line to see the difference.
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posted 09-07-2002 08:21 PM      Profile for Nesklau        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Celebrity is classy.
You enjoy good dinner with good food (French),live music (quartec with violin, cello, harmonic & sax), excellent service,spacious and confortable cabins, elegant decor with soft colors, no annouces and very good fitness facilities, all for a reasonable price, try this cruise line.
Age average 50.
Do not expect something like Seabourn and Crystal, these are far more sophisticated and much more expensive.

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billee
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posted 09-09-2002 02:38 PM      Profile for billee   Author's Homepage   Email billee   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having been on both Celebrity & Crystal cruises, the no comparison...none at all. Crystal is far, far superior to Celebrity in every way, food, service and hardware.
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