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WhiteStar
First Class Passenger
Member # 2740

posted 11-22-2002 07:19 AM

About 100 passengers on a Disney cruise ship contracted a contagious stomach virus....

full story here

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vg5157
First Class Passenger
Member # 3182

posted 11-22-2002 07:32 AM

Whitestar,what do you think about all this,is a coincidence?,from my point of view is not,but I like to hear from the rest of us,FG.

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WhiteStar
First Class Passenger
Member # 2740

posted 11-22-2002 08:45 AM

It's my understanding that this has been a problem for several years on cruise ships, nursing homes, and other places where large groups of people live in close quarters. What makes this newsworthy is the number of people getting sick. As cruise ships hold more and more passengers, the chance of an infected individual coming on board increases.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 11-22-2002 08:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by WhiteStar:
What makes this newsworthy is the number of people getting sick. As cruise ships hold more and more passengers, the chance of an infected individual coming on board increases.

Running 2 threads here as we initially posted at the same time virtually I agree that possibly has something to do with the increased instances, more people all confined to a ship. More chances of someone ill coming aboard, and more people to spread it too.
Even if one feels a bit off prior to going on holiday, how many people would cancel their long awaited trip just in case they had something contagious? I bet nearly everyone would still go thinking it was only a bug and they'd feel fine once aboard.
Pam

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OneMillennium
First Class Passenger
Member # 2260

posted 11-22-2002 10:31 AM

My source has now been dispatched to the Disney Magic to put together an investigation.

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 11-22-2002 10:58 AM

Hi..before he does any 'investigation' I'd suggest he does some reading about the Norwalk Virus and the similar ones. After the common cold, they are the most common illness in the US, and let's face it there aren't many cruises where there isn't a "bug-of-the-trip" going around.

One thing that is noticeable is that on longer cruises - 20+ days - whilst often there is a bug goes the rounds for the first week or so, after that the ship is bug free. In other words it does it thing and when there isn't anyone new to infect it dies out. This leads me to repeat what the CDC says about Norwalk... you need to break the cycle of 3/4 days and tie the ship up so there is no carry-over.

To try and find a conspiracy in something as common as this is pushing the limits a bit.
...peter

[ 11-22-2002: Message edited by: gohaze ]

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Steve Read (sread)
First Class Passenger
Member # 788

posted 11-22-2002 11:50 AM

So ... get the bug, endure two or three days of what we delicately refer to as muddy waters, and then you get three weeks' free holiday in quarantine (but in glorious sunshine and a free bar) ... sounds worth it to me!

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tg_lindo
First Class Passenger
Member # 806

posted 11-22-2002 01:30 PM

"Muddy waters"?!?!

That's the name of a coffee house in my neighborhood. I'll never see it the same way again.

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nycruiser
First Class Passenger
Member # 960

posted 11-22-2002 01:38 PM

Does anybody think this may be biological terrorism? I wonder.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 11-22-2002 08:18 PM

After reading the news forum here at Cruise Talk about terrorists might target cruise ships

http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001981

I have a feeling the Norwalk Virus is caused by terrorist. Why would HAL first have them, then RCCL and now Disney? There is a common trend, most of them happened in the Carribean and that is where most people go on a cruise vacation.

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 11-22-2002 08:48 PM

What utter garbage. There have been outbreaks of this particular virus for years. Almost every cruise there is a bug of some sort that goes around even if it's just a simple cold.
Every winter there's a flu epidemic of differing magnitude right up to the pandemic of 1918

Please go to the CDC site and read about it and how it is spread.
HAL should have been a lot smarter after their experience with the Ryndam last summer and pulled the Amsterdam sooner.
...peter
see this....

The AAA release continues: ‘The most recent outbreak [on Disney Magic] included 100 out of the ship's 3,200 passengers contracting the infectious and fairly easily transmitted disease. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta has reported there have been no indications on any of the 11 ships involved that the illness was due to anything on the ships. The illness is spread wherever people congregate and are in close contact with infected persons, including through sharing food, water, eating utensils or other items. The virus itself is not life-threatening.’

[ 11-22-2002: Message edited by: gohaze ]

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Tim Agg
First Class Passenger
Member # 3185

posted 11-22-2002 11:32 PM

One thing that has changed is what is considered news. I was on the Veendam in 1999 when over 300 pax, me included, came down with a nasty bug - it was not a media story, and I don't think it made the Internet message boards. In a few short years, much more information is in circulation much more quickly - but whether this is making us wiser is something we can now debate. I vote NO!

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koch
First Class Passenger
Member # 1483

posted 11-23-2002 09:59 AM

NLV is not a HAL thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
several cruise lines are having problems with this virus at this time and i just found a report on AOL about lots of cases here in germany over the last few month and that the number is expected to increase now at winter time
they are talking about more than 16000 cases during this year in germany which have been reported - i do not wanna know the real number of non reported cases

below a part of the report but is in german sorry coudnt find a english version

Berlin - Das Robert-Koch-Institut verzeichnet eine starke Zunahme von hoch ansteckenden Magen-Darm-Erkrankungen. Das so genannte Norwalk-Virus sei von Januar bis Mitte Oktober bereits doppelt so häufig registriert worden wie im gesamten Vorjahr, sagte der Experte des Instituts, Eckard Schreier.

"Kaum jemand bleibt verschont"

16.500 Fälle seien gemeldet worden, die eigentliche Zahl der Erkrankungen sei aber sehr viel höher. "In diesem Jahr bleibt kaum jemand von der Erkrankung verschont", betonte der Leiter des Fachbereichs Molekulare Epidemiologie. Die Krankheit äußert sich durch starkes Erbrechen, Durchfall, Bauchschmerzen, Übelkeit und Kopfschmerzen.

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gizmo
First Class Passenger
Member # 972

posted 11-23-2002 03:19 PM

I saw the head of Disney Cruises on CNN this morning at Port Canaveral.
They are doing everything they can, cleaning etc.
The good news is they gave pax the option to cancel with full refund, transfer their booking to another Disney cruise or a Disney World Package.
He said they had reached about 70% of the pax. All sick pax on this current cruise will be contacted by Disney.
Disney has done the right thing by calling customers and allowing the cancelation option etc. This is a lot more than other lines have done.

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empressport
First Class Passenger
Member # 2511

posted 11-25-2002 03:21 PM

I agree that its the media. After West Nile ran its course, they had to find something else to latch onto. Plus I am sure it was easy to find some passengers to play it up, in the hopes of furthering a lawsuit!

These bugs have always been around. I doubt terrorists are trying to bring down western civilzation with bad case of the "trots"!

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