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Amerikanis
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posted 01-19-2004 07:14 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read in www.ruderhaus.de, that the three newer Festival Ships MISTRAL; EUROPEAN VISION; EUROPEAN STARS are taken Prisoner in different Ports because not settling their Invoices.

FESTIVAL is in US FIRST EUROPEAN.

Please note and be careful with Bookings.


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Patrick
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posted 01-19-2004 07:17 AM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was just going to announce this too. From Shippax Sweden:

Last night, Festival´s three newbuildings MISTRAL, EUROPEAN VISION and EUROPEAN STARS were arrested due to pending debts not settled.

The MISTRAL (built in 1999) was arrested in Marseilles, the EUROPEAN VISION (built 2001) in Santo Domingo and the EUROPEAN STARS (2002) in Barcelona. Passengers were reportedly disembarked from the ships, which were all built by French yard Alstom Chantiers de l´Atlantique.

According to the information, which comes from a reliable source outside the Greek-Italian cruise line, a creditor was not reimbursed for its bonds, expiring on 31 December last year. The Italian state-owned bank S.Paolo has been mentioned in connection with this information.

CFI understands that Festival owns the MISTRAL while Alstom is the owner of the other two vessels, chartered to Festival.

Festival´s Genoa headquarter confirmed on Monday that MISTRAL and EUROPEAN STARS - but not the EUROPEAN VISION - had been arrested. The headquarter added that the situation was expected to return to normality within 24 to 48 hours, and that passengers should be re-embarked promptly.

Festival says the dispute is just between them and the owners of the two ships, Alstom, and strongly denied that a third part, such as a bank, was involved.

Festival´s financial debts comes as little news. The situation might, however, have been made worse due to the panic that has spread in Italy during the weeks after the bankruptcy of the two food industry giants Parmalat and Cirio, both not being able to reimburse huge bonds."


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This is the translation of two articles published in Italian by www.informare.it

January 19 th 2004


Jammed three ships of Festival Cruises

Alstom, that has built the three unities granting a financing to the buyer, accusation the cruise company not to have respected the contractual terms

Two of the five ships that the fleet of Festival constitutes Cruises have been jammed in the harbors in which you/they have made subsequently port to a legal action undertaken by the French industrial group Alstom, that the two unities have built in the shipyard Chantiers de the Atlantique yesterday. You Mistral and the European Stars have respectively been stopped in the I bring of Marseille and in the I bring of Barcelona. A third ship of Festival currently in navigation, the European Vision, also it built by Chantiers de the Atlantique, will be stopped when it will touch Saint Domingo.

Today Alstom has remembered to have used in the past the practice of the vendor financing, especially in the sector of the naval construction, with a general exposure of 650 million of European to last September 30. The financings lavished to the buyers of the ships include those granted to the Festival for the construction of the Mistral (1999), of the European Vision (2001) and of the European Stars (2002).

Alstom has accused Festival of «not to have respected the contractual terms» and you/he/she has decided therefore to start actions for the block of the ships and for the cessation of the accords of rental with the company. «Supposing that the value of the three ships both equal to zero - you/he/she has specified the French group - the exposure of Alstom towards Festival is of 176 million of European. Making reference to a prudential respect related to the value of sale of the ships, Alstom it believes that his/her direct and indirect affairs in the ships (100% on Mistral, 9,5% on European Vision and 10,5% on European Stars) adequately covers this exposure. Insofar Alstom doesn't intend to enroll a passivity regarding the actual disposition of vendor financing for 140 million of European with Festival. Alstom doesn't offer tools of vendor anymore financing».



ALSTOM's exposure
(Source: Alstom)

ALSTOM
exposure
Ships
value as
sold
Ships
market
value (1)
Market value
of ALSTOM
guarantees

European Vision (2)
22
270
180/215
17/20

European Stars (3)
24
270
180/215
19/22

Mistral (4)
100
244
138/165
138/165

Repossession costs
25

Festival shares (5)
5

Total
176
784
498/595
174/207


(1) Estimated market value (for cruise mass market) for berth: 150,000/180,000 $
(2) ALSTOM expects to recover 9.5% made her proceeds
(3) ALSTOM expects to recover 10.5% made her proceeds
(4) ALSTOM expects to recover 100% made her proceeds
(5) Subscription by ship owner of shares in Festival guaranteed by ALSTOM




Update on vendor financing
In September 2003 accountses ALSTOM disclosed
its total vendor financing exposure as follows:

(in € million)

Total Vendor Financing
969

Of which Marina vendor financing
650

Renaissance ships
344

Others Marine including Festival
306


The provision retained in respect of
Sea vendor financing is €140 million.


January 19 th 2004


Festival Cruises: «in the way of immediate resolution» the problem list with Alstom/Crédit Agricole

«The dispute, of general character - has specified the company - it will have positive conclusion within 24/48 hours»

Festival Cruises it announces that I am «in the street of immediate resolution the problem list between Alstom/Crédit Agricole and Festival Cruises that the delay has respectively provoked in the departure of the ships European Stars and Mistral from the harbors of Barcelona and Marseilles» (to inform about January 19 th 2004). «it disputes her, of general character - has specified today the company - it will have positive conclusion within 24/48 hours».

Festival Cruises has underlined besides that the block is not anticipated to Saint Domingo of the ship European Vision and that «they are not anticipated variations in the normal planning of the next cruises».

I hope that this is not the end for Festival Cruises...


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posted 01-19-2004 08:07 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many threads do we need?

Thanks for the report Patrick.. it seems a bit confusing at this stage, as to who owns & who owes what to whom.

But I can see if Alstom is owed money from the end of Dec, in their present state, they are not going to give [or be able to] any leeway and will act quickly.
Could this be the case? A bank mentioned may only be the intermediator for collection or may have lent monies against those bonds for which payment is late?

There are so many different scenarios one can dream up on this... pure specualtion.

The other IT fiascos recently could be making people jittery, and coercing them into speedy actions. Surely on such a short time period for late payment matters can be resolved. However, it's happened, made the news and people don't forget.
Pam


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Thanks Italian Cruiser. I too hope it's not the end of Festival. I don't like to see anyone go down.

But I can undersatnd Alstom's position. Crédit Agricole want their money from Alstom & Festival Cruises owes it to them. Festival, I hope have been under negotiation elswhere to refince their credit with Alstom.

Pam


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posted 01-19-2004 07:14 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if maybe Festival will go the same route as Royal Olympia if it comes to that, just let the banks reposses The Mistral and maybe they can just Charter her instead! And maybe just let the European Vision and European Stars go back to their owners and Cancel the Charters! Then that would Free up some cash for them. How will this affect The other Festival Ships?? Flamenco and Azur?
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posted 01-20-2004 10:18 AM      Profile for Johan C   Email Johan C   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Festival owns also (exNCL) Bolero wich is like Flamenco chartered out to a Spanish cruiseline.
Both ships a not too bad but with very and I mean very small cabins
Azur is a total mess (converted P&O ferry) and had lots of mechanical problems last year

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posted 01-20-2004 11:56 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It has been suggested that MSC might want to snap up the EUROPEAN VISION and STARS, as they are both near sisters of the MSC LIRICA and OPERA... Would save Alstom the cost of laying up the ships. On the other had, it might also rob them of a potential newbuilding order from MSC. then again, the container division of MSC might be able to offer a sweetener in the shape of an order for a couple of boxships with Alstom.

however, I hope Festival gets to keep the ships and survives. We need more diversity, not less!!


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 01-20-2004 12:08 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rd77:
I hope Festival gets to keep the ships and survives. We need more diversity, not less!!

There's no hope of that ...the ships have already found new homes.

Tim


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posted 01-20-2004 12:49 PM      Profile for Johan C   Email Johan C   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
can you be a little more specific Tim?
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posted 01-20-2004 12:50 PM      Profile for anthemius   Author's Homepage   Email anthemius   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Johan C wrote:
>>Festival owns also (exNCL) Bolero wich is like Flamenco chartered out to a Spanish cruiseline.
Both ships a not too bad but with very and I mean very small cabins
Azur is a total mess (converted P&O ferry) and had lots of mechanical problems last year <<

Isn't Festival also owning the CARIBE (the ex STOCKHOLM, that sank ANDREA DORIA)?
Bereft of MISTRAL, EUROPEAN STARS and EUROPEAN VISION, this vessel may attributed as the best ship in their fleet, as it was totally rebuilt in 1992. Reportedly she is very upmarket inside!

Michael
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posted 01-20-2004 01:28 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Johan C:
can you be a little more specific Tim?

Not at the moment.

--Tim


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posted 01-20-2004 01:28 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think, the Caribe is actually laid off since some Months, but i am not sure in this Point.


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posted 01-20-2004 08:26 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Festival does not own the Caribe, she is just Chartered and let me tell u she has had her problems with operators! Beautiful and very up to date ship with Loads of potential and one which can stand up to some of the newer ships. Excellent Condition and very up to SOLAS, she should even pass 2010, since being totally rebuilt entireley just a few years ago late '90's! First she sailed as Italia Prima, then a Canadian company, West Indies Cruises Chartered her and she did well sailing from Montego Bay,not sure what happened their, then she was laid up in Cuba and then Festival Chartered her and started Cruises out of Havana, not marketed in the U.S., And Now what! Poor Caribe, She needs a good Operator she has lots of Potential, and so do her itineraries!

I think she will find a new home if Festival goes under totally! As Valtur the company that owns her will definentley find her a new home!

As for the Bolero, I think she will stay on Charter to Spanish Cruise Line and Azur, not sure! I think someone will get her, she's a good ship, not the best but still okay!I dont think it will affect Bolero, but who knows!


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Is there even hope for Festival once their newbuilds are gone? I wonder which company took them....
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quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Is there even hope for Festival once their newbuilds are gone? I wonder which company took them....

Without their newbuilds, they might be able to limp along. As for the newbuilds themselves, they'll end up in good, but seperate hands.

Tim


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quote:
Tim in 'Lauderdale posted:
As for the newbuilds themselves, they'll end up in good, but seperate hands.

Tim, when will this be announced?

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CARIBE is owned by Nina Cruises SpA., not by Club Valtur. Valtur only chartered her for some months before they went bankrupt.
Festival was too unpatient in getting newer ships. They tried to follow the same steps as Chandris did but this 10 years later only. Within these years, market positions have changed and also types of ships have changed.
Festival was a good company when operating the smaller units The AZUR, BOLERO and FLAMENCO. Even if these ships were not new, they have been well maintained and service was good, food as well and also the organisation. the last three points could havily been found on the new ships....
I would wish them to be able to continue operation with the smaller vessels as they are well known by now in Europe and still attract many people. Hope this could also include the CARIBE.
The example of MSC shows that similar operations are possible, even today.
I just wonder who would like to take over the MISTRAL-class vessels instead. As MSC's second MISTRAL-class vessel is almost finished, I do not think they will take over another one from Festival straight away.
A potential buyer could be the Carnival Group, for the Aida-brand.
Another solution could be that RCI takes over the entire Festival Group and also purchases the 3 ships from Alsthom. But these are only speculations. Maybe Festival even continues after the negotiations.

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Maybe Festival can refinance, little seems known about them in that respect. But the damage to their name and confidence will have been lost as far as passengers/TAs are concerned and filling the ships if they continue may be difficult without last minute drastic price drops.

AFAICs.. I don't think MSC would want or need another ship so soon. Too big for Olsen [imo]; P&O appear over saturated. Would OV be looking for another? Thomson have Noordam coming, the ships are not their style anyway; SCL have SC coming & Crown to Phoenix; Airtours don't come into it.
Aida? maybe, but somehow I don't think so.
TMR? would they consider having one of these ships instead of chartering an ex R? But they would have to sail all year, rather than seasonally.

There all also the Twins up for grabs, 5 'new' ships available. Any new companies on the horizon?
Personally I hope they don't go to Carnival [other than as an Aida] or RCI or any US based company.
There are enough 'Little Americas' floating about Europe. I think a European owner is called for and that they continue to be run in the main for Europeans.

Pam


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I can confirm that the Caribe is in fact up and running. I was in Ocho Rios, Jamaica 2 days ago and she was docked there for the day looking quite resplendent.
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Pqam said...
quote:
I don't think MSC would want or need another ship so soon. Too big for Olsen [imo]; P&O appear over saturated. Would OV be looking for another? Thomson have Noordam coming, the ships are not their style anyway; SCL have SC coming & Crown to Phoenix; Airtours don't come into it.
Aida? maybe, but somehow I don't think so.
TMR? would they consider having one of these ships instead of chartering an ex R? But they would have to sail all year, rather than seasonally.

What about Star Cruises/NCL?

tyler


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Mistral is going to Pullmantur, from what I hear. Still have not heard about the Euro twins....
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Haven't they got enough?
There's Pullmantur too.
Pam

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Of course Pullmantur! They are going to loose the R5 and possibly R6. They need some newer ships to fill in the spot.
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Mistral to Pullmantur...hmmm very interesting! That would be a very interesting addition to their fleet! The European Vision and European Stars, well maybe things have changed a little now...but My bets may be on either Star or RCCL! Star is definentley in need of more ships and they could be interested in these two! As for Pullmantur they already have Oceanic and Pacific and I would wonder however why they would not be interested in keeping the R6 as she is still For Sale instead of Mistral?? I know the Charter of R5 ends soon and I believe she is the 3rd ship that Oceania mentioned that they had an option on!

Now should be interesting how all this pans out!


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