As well as giving details of the discounts available on their cruises, it had pictures and information about the current P&O fleet.

Can you guess what P&O refer to their ships as? Now could it be; Cruisers, Cruise Ships, Ocean Liners, Cruise Liners, Mega-Ships, simply 'ships' or even Fun Ship?

The 'Queen Victoria' is a Vista-class hull modified to fit Cunards needs. Definitely not a 'Superliner', but depending on her use and function, could she still be considered a 'Liner' none-the-less?

[ 01-23-2004: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]

I would like for someone, everyone who has chimed in on this topic from any of the other forum boards, to tell me what 'makes' a LINER a liner, and exactly how to differentiate between a 'liner' and a 'cruise ship'.

Details would be nice. Someone set me straight. Make me believe the argument. Not just an opinion but the facts, please.

[ 01-23-2004: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]

WHAT is it that DEFINES a 'Liner'?

I don't mean to sound snooty or condescending, but please....

It's nice that we have different 'opinions', but someone explain it in detailed facts, not opinions, what it is that defines a LINER from a CRUISESHIP?

THANKS! :-)

[ 01-23-2004: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]

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An Ocean Liner has the following attributes over a cruise ship:

Enhanced Speed
Enhanced Endurance
Enhanced Seakeeping characteristics
Enhanced Strength
Enhanced passenger facilities

...the facilities must be better as far more time is spent at sea and pepole must be entertained.

As far as open deck space is concerned, There is more on a traditionally designed Ocean Liner than a cruise ship when you consider that an open fantail does not normally feature on a cruise ship and the passenger / space ratio is higher on a Liner as well.

...QM2 will havea very similar hull design to QE2 but larger of course. The differences are the bulbous bow and the stern arrangement.

...There is far more deck space PER PERSON on an Ocean Liner. Since one has not been built for over 30 years, the modern version is about to arrive in the form of QM2 which will have far more facilities to occupy time on an Ocean passage than a modern cruise ship. (and I don't mean gimmicky things that you are likely to do once for an hour but meaningful experiences in entertainment,education & relaxation.)

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Some folks say cruise "ship", some say cruise "liner", some say "superliner", etc.

One way to avoid the inevitable argument is to call all of them, simply, "passenger ships"....because that's what they are.

I try not to get too hung up on this issue because, IMO, sailing on a ship is a matchless experience; no matter what you call it. Also, everyone has different opinions.....and there's no changing those opinions.

Throughout history, ocean liners have been used as cruise ships and, occasionally, cruise ships assume the role of an ocean liner. If it makes your voyage more enjoyable, call the ship(s) you sail on anything you want.

Russ

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[ 01-23-2004: Message edited by: linerguy ]

Now I know. Because I was going off of MY opinions as well, what I thought were the facts.

The link to the thread from June 2002 was incredible with boat-loads of the exact specifics I was looking for.

THANKS for the clarifications!

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Originally posted by vikingcrown:
Queen Mary 2 - Cruise Ship (with a few superficial Liner touches)

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Uhhhhhhhhhhh - NO!

[ 01-23-2004: Message edited by: CGT ]

ORIANA and AURORA are definitely cruise ships too, albiet ones desinged with longer cruises in mind. "Superliners" they are not. OCEANA and ADONIA are also transplanted Caribbean/Alaska ships. I am surprised that they seem to be doing well in the UK market, I thought Brits had better taste in ships than that .

[ 01-24-2004: Message edited by: cruiseny ]

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Originally posted by bmajor:
You are all missing the point....
Liner???
Cruise ship????
Times have changed folks!!!!
They are all .......
floating Hotels!!!!!!!!

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No. That's what RCI want's their barges to be. That's why the "Pursers Desk" becomes the euphimistic "Guest Relations"

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Originally posted by Cambodge:
The term "floating hotel" has been around as long as I have been on this earth (OK since the 1920s), and was applied to the more palatial of ocean liners from at least that time.

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Correct Cambodge,

Albert Ballin, whose brainchildren were the 1914 German giants had Charles Mewes design it to look like a grand European hotel, and --disconnect-- it to the sea to comfort sea sick frightened society ladies on the many rough crossings.

In regards to hybrid liner/cruiseships; the Rembrandterdam and Canberra in my mind are the greatest ships ever built, both in design and engineering.

QE2's planning is marred by 1920's style class divided layout, [no excuse, she was planned after Rembrandterdam and LeFrance were built successfully with horizontal class division] and the balcony suites result in inadequate deckspace for warm weather.

Now apart from their physical characteristics (as spelt out by Joe above) the QE2 undertook line voyages to NY, and the QM2 will continue to do so.

There is NO argument that the QM2 is the nearest we will get to the traditional definition of an Ocean Liner today, even though she does have balcony cabins and will cruise in the Caribbean.