There is a bit of snobbism in bashing Carnival, but frankly their product has improved greatly in recent years. I suppose there is a great element of fear and mistrust of such a large company which is taking over a large portion of the cruise industry. This leads to opposition in many quarters.

lasuvidaboy, what ship were you on? I was on the Triumph back in '99 and actually, quite enjoyed the experience other than a few isolated issues. I thought the food was quite good on that cruise, so long as you ate in the dining room consistently. The pizza counter was, well, I could have done the same thing with DiGiorno. Whereas on Princess, the pizza is excellent.

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Even though the service and food were not that bad and I could bear Mr Farcus's painful interiors.

The only problem I had with my fellow passengers, who were simply too many badly behaving narrow minded Americans.

Carnival is a product which forces you to have "fun" immediately once you board. For me it was just too loud and vulgar at times.

However halfway down the cruise I ran into a group of people who felt just a depressed at first and we ended up having a good time together.
Among them there was a very nice black couple. Some fellow passengers asked me why I did hang out with black people...............

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Originally posted by BigUFan:
Rooting for Carnival is like rooting for Microsoft, only Carnival is better at what they do than Microsoft is at what they do.

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Microsoft have a more complete monopoly than Carnival. How many of us are using 'Explorer' and 'Windows' to view this thread?

At least we have RCI and NCL in competition with Carnival. Microsoft only have Apple.

Surreal Though of the day: You could be sitting onboard a Carnival ship at this moment using 'Explorer' to view this thread!

[ 07-20-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]

I might add, that I am not among them, but I have used a friends Mac at his home on one occasion, and am impressed by the technical sophistication and ease of operation of the Mac.

But back to Carnival. Yes Macdonalds of the Sea, undoubtedly. But how many "billions sold?" (I know, the slogan is no longer used)

The institution of Carnival is an essential underpinning of the Cruise Industry as a whole, in my opinion. Some stay happily with Carnival, others move more upscale. Fine, its a big ocean!

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I might add, that I am not among them, but I have used a friends Mac at his home on one occasion, and am impressed by the technical sophistication and ease of operation of the Mac.

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And from next year you'll be seeing the first Macs (running OS X) using Intel chips. What can you compare that to?

BTW, I use a Mac most of the time.

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Carnival Co. Dith some great things look how they handle Holland America Line i belive they dith an great job.

And above all Cunard i believe they safe Cunard, and what we might think over there dominate the trate whene the public don't like it they stay away.

Whene Carnival began to grow they dith it with the market in view. First HAL, Costa, Seaborn, Cunard, P&O/Princess so there product cover almost the entire market. Frome the party cruise line Carnival to the exclusiv cruises with Seaborn. Within the premium HAL, the European experiance Costa, Brittich cruising with P&O , transatlantic with Cunard, middle class Princess. German clubcruise market Aida, Sailing cruises with Windstar.

Carnival could growing whene they take an interrest in expedition cruising, budget cruising, river cruising.

The only negativ about the whole company is that they are very big and the danger is that whene the company directors made misstakes the whole thing cane collaps and take other healty subsidery's in the fall.

Greetings Ben.

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Microsoft have a more complete monopoly than Carnival. How many of us are using 'Explorer' and 'Windows' to view this thread?

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You mean EXPLODER!

How about Firefox for the PC (Windows XP)?

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The only problem I had with my fellow passengers, who were simply too many badly behaving narrow minded Americans.
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The purple on the Fantasy was hideous, the pools like swimming in a well, the cabin steward never to be found and I do not care for the auto tipping. I like RCI traditional policy of cash for service well done at the end of the cruise.

I really hate Carnivel since she starts to buy other traditional companies. When she bought Costa i hated she even more, specilally because i'm a italian cruise fan. People say that exist competition, but RCCL and NCL America is all the same ... to me, the same kind of ships (more than 100.000gt), same decoration (horrible, if you want to see a casino, go to Las Vegas) and the worst, in these companies you are just one single passenger, thats mean MASS MARKET. I think there aren't almost single companies (Fred Olsen, Phoenix Reisen, Louis, MSC...?), it's all a big monopoly, with Carnival leading, and RCCL and NCL very near. In the future, maybe Carnival buy NCL and RCCL, and finnally we could say that exist a monopoly, but since now exist one, the AMERICAN MASS MARKET CRUISE.

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Originally posted by BigUFan:
Rooting for Carnival is like rooting for Microsoft, only Carnival is better at what they do than Microsoft is at what they do.

lasuvidaboy, what ship were you on? I was on the Triumph back in '99 and actually, quite enjoyed the experience other than a few isolated issues. I thought the food was quite good on that cruise, so long as you ate in the dining room consistently. The pizza counter was, well, I could have done the same thing with DiGiorno. Whereas on Princess, the pizza is excellent.

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MS Holiday.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

Times change and I understand their food and interior design has improved greatly over the years, but we will stay w/Princess, HAL, Crystal and Cunard.

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Ah, the joys of cruise industry Sloanism. Provided it's done right, they will be laughing all the way to the bank for some time. On the other hand, I could see Princess and Carnival overlapping somewhat- it'd be a tremendous shame if the former went the way of Oldsmobile...

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You see. I'm reading this post very, very carefully waiting in angst for something imflamatory. And my question to you is what if the ship were to be fill with too many narrow minded dutch? what then would you say? Nothing I'd imagine. Instead of grouping blacks and americans, why don't you forget the information you hear on whatever tabloid tv news channels you've been watching and make your judgements on a case by case basis and see why tourists who come to america always end up saying why is the news in their area always reporting false bull crap.

I was actually once onboard Arcadia during a pre Christmans cruise which was dumped on the dutch market. and indeed there was a huge group of loud badly behaving Dutch....to me just as irritating.

• They (Carnival Corp plc.) own most of the cruise lines.
• They are somewhat ‘tacky’.
• They have badly designed cookie-cutter ships.
• They attract mass-market ‘trailer-park trash’.

Am I right?

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The only problem I had with my fellow passengers, who were simply too many badly behaving narrow minded Americans.
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You see. I'm reading this post very, very carefully waiting in angst for something imflamatory. And my question to you is what if the ship were to be fill with too many narrow minded dutch? what then would you say? Nothing I'd imagine. Instead of grouping blacks and americans, why don't you forget the information you hear on whatever tabloid tv news channels you've been watching and make your judgements on a case by case basis and see why tourists who come to america always end up saying why is the news in their area always reporting false bull crap.

I was actually once onboard Arcadia during a pre Christmans cruise which was dumped on the dutch market. and indeed there was a huge group of loud badly behaving Dutch....to me just as irritating.

By the way we do not have tabloid News channels here in Norway and as far as news I watch our own NRK and BBC. And I despise tabloid newspapers, for example when in the UK I read the Guardian!!

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