Frinzl was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami."

from Keynews. Another 'odd' story. How does one turn a corner & fall overboard, and I also wonder if above the noise of the ship such a splash could have been heard? She was picked up anyway. Another for Joe's list

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I wonder how long it will be before these cruise lines bill these passengers for the trouble they cause. A nice $10,000 charge added for fuel burned and deployment of a lifeboat on their end of cruise statement would send a strong message.

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I agree, the cruise lines should bill the passengers. You just didn't hear about these incidents (or they just didn't exist) before cruises were "opened up" to the masses. Just like "air rage". Call it progress I guess. Part of me wouldn't mind cruises becoming more expensive again just to weed out some of these trailer park trash idiots.

What I hope the cruise lines don't do is take away open rails as we know them and enclose everything in with neck high glass. That would totally suck, but as with many things the masses have to suffer because of the stupidity of a few.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
[...] A nice $10,000 charge added for fuel burned and deployment of a lifeboat on their end of cruise statement would send a strong message.

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Originally posted by Ernst:

I guess this is happening if the cruise line can proove that a person jumped intentionally or behaved inadequately. No need for new regulations.

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Originally posted by Schmiday:
[...] but the fact that she lived really pissed me off. [...]

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Originally posted by Ernst:

I do not know the circumstances of this incident, but even jumping intentionally of a ship must not be punished with death penalty.

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Originally posted by eroller:

I agree, the cruise lines should bill the passengers. You just didn't hear about these incidents (or they just didn't exist) before cruises were "opened up" to the masses. Just like "air rage". Call it progress I guess. Part of me wouldn't mind cruises becoming more expensive again just to weed out some of these trailer park trash idiots.

What I hope the cruise lines don't do is take away open rails as we know them and enclose everything in with neck high glass. That would totally suck, but as with many things the masses have to suffer because of the stupidity of a few.

Ernie

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Originally posted by Ernst:

I do not know the circumstances of this incident, but even jumping intentionally of a ship must not be punished with death penalty.

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If a girl jumps off a boat to kill herself she is better off dead... Anyway my vacation was ruined because she sucks at life

[ 08-15-2005: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]

Could this be related by the constant party coing on a/b such ships. Much booz and more places to fall over board (balcony's) Simply poeple who are drunk do stuppid things so i would not surpriced that this is one of the major problems a/b cruiseships.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:
It seems to me that and pleace correct me that passengers who falling over board happen in most cases by mass market lines such as Carnival.

Could this be related by the constant party coing on a/b such ships. Much booz and more places to fall over board (balcony's) Simply poeple who are drunk do stuppid things so i would not surpriced that this is one of the major problems a/b cruiseships.

Greetings Ben.

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Walking on this ice there Ben! You know it's not politically correct to relate the percent of "overboards" on mass-market lines like Carnival to the drunkenness factor and possibly socio-economic status. Oops, I think I just did. I'll leave it at that.

Ernie

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Originally posted by eroller:

Walking on this ice there Ben! You know it's not politically correct to relate the percent of "overboards" on mass-market lines like Carnival to the drunkenness factor and possibly socio-economic status. Oops, I think I just did. I'll leave it at that.

Ernie

ps - In defense of Carnival, they are not the constant drunken party atmosphere they used to be. These days I find the passengers no different than Royal Caribbean, NCL, and Princess. All mass-market lines. Carnival is much more "refined" then it used to be, offering basically the same cruise experience as it's competitors ... although the decor is more "over the top" but the food, service, and entertainment is usually better.

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Ernie thene i walk over thin ice.

i would like to say that i do NOT like many of your comments

it is full with assumptions and moaning over a ruined holiday, very selfish indeed

did the ship sink? did your food alter??
was there a change in leisure and amusement????

there are no FACTS available that this person drank too much
(is there some cause and effect???)

I read of NO evidence that it's about an alleged attempt of suicide

and if YOU in stead of offering help, let your holiday or even a day to be ruined by such a case it says a lot about yourself.

IF this was no accident you better might feel sorry for her discomfort

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Originally posted by buddhaJoe:
hello there ,

i would like to say that i do NOT like many of your comments

it is full with assumptions and moaning over a ruined holiday, very selfish indeed

did the ship sink? did your food alter??
was there a change in leisure and amusement????

there are no FACTS available that this person drank too much
(is there some cause and effect???)

I read of NO evidence that it's about an alleged attempt of suicide

and if YOU in stead of offering help, let your holiday or even a day to be ruined by such a case it says a lot about yourself.

IF this was no accident you better might feel sorry for her discomfort

best regards,
b.Joe

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Wy there was no reason to jump overboard, obviously there was something with this girl. i believe there was to much alcahol. You don't fall overboard that simply. i'm a adult man of 35 and 1.90 meters high. 2 weeks ago i was aboard the m.s. Zaandam and standing on the rail this rail was to high to fall over without reason. She must have jumped aftter she have climb the rail.

She servived and now i'm wondering why she jumped i beth that there was to much alcahol involved.

Only till now there is one report off suicide by a olderly couple some months ago.

I hope she must pay all the cost made to save here.

Carnival should have only refunded port charges, anything above that is mighty generous, and only has the effect of increasing future cruise prices for everyone else. Carnival themselves lost money through not calling at Jamaica. Any compensation is entirely the responsibility of this selfish female and I hope all costs and blame are directed to her.

How does one expect half the price back? Was the length of the cruise halved? Did you have half the nights aboard, eat half the food, use half the services & amenities? You pay to cruise on a ship for a certain number of days, which is exactly what happened. The cruiseline could not have done anymore, boycotting them acheives nothing and is laughable.

AS for those who are so quick to condemn the victim without knowing the details, the less said the better.

Brian

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Originally posted by PamM:
Well, call me thick, but I fail to see quite why Carnival is to blame for the actions of one of their passengers. She was 20! She cannot purchase alcohol aboard, if Carnival served her, they are wrong in having done so, but I suspect, if she was drunk, her 'friends' supplied her.

Carnival should have only refunded port charges, anything above that is mighty generous, and only has the effect of increasing future cruise prices for everyone else. Carnival themselves lost money through not calling at Jamaica. Any compensation is entirely the responsibility of this selfish female and I hope all costs and blame are directed to her.

How does one expect half the price back? Was the length of the cruise halved? Did you have half the nights aboard, eat half the food, use half the services & amenities? You pay to cruise on a ship for a certain number of days, which is exactly what happened. The cruiseline could not have done anymore, boycotting them acheives nothing and is laughable.

Pam

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However, most weeks when we were able to call there, you would hear lots of people screaming "why do you bring us here, it's dirty, dangerous, disgusting, etc.!"

You just can't win!