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Weaver
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posted 10-01-2005 01:18 PM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is the difference between balcony and a veranda? Both staterooms have sliding doors and a place outside to sit.
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posted 10-01-2005 01:20 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No differance.

(Not all have sliding glass doors, some open outwards on hinges, such as the QM2's).


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posted 10-01-2005 01:21 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Weaver:
What is the difference between balcony and a veranda? Both staterooms have sliding doors and a place outside to sit.

I think "veranda" sounds more exotic and luxurious than "balcony", but they're basically the same thing. The more upscale lines (like Holland America) use the term veranda.

Just like "stateroom" sounds more luxurious than "cabin."

Rich


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posted 10-01-2005 01:33 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A verandah is usually a (covered) "gallery" at ground floor alongside the building - closer to a promenade deck than a "balcony" - whereas a balcony is a platform "hanging" on the wall of a building.

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posted 10-01-2005 01:36 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
A verandah is usually a (covered) "gallery" at ground floor alongside the building - finally closer to a promenade deck - whereas a balcony is a platform "hanging" on the wall of a building.

You are probably right, but on ships the terms are interchangeable.


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posted 10-01-2005 01:44 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

You are probably right, but on ships the terms are interchangeable.


Like suite, guest, concierge.....


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posted 10-01-2005 02:07 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
QM2's 'hull balconies' could be called 'verandahs'. Verandahs are not high up, they are balconies. Ernst is correct in his definition. It sounds more 'exotic' as many Colonial properties in bygone days had 'verandahs', with fans and bougainvillea everywhere, on which one enjoyed afternoon tea We all had verandahs when living in the Middle East, none of which could be called a balcony; they only came on apartment blocks.

No idea why on ships they seem to interchange the terminology, apart from making things sound better than they are. The term 'stateroom' irritates me, a bugbear, it's a cabin!

Pam


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Weaver
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posted 10-01-2005 07:42 PM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks. For a long time I have been too embarresed to ask. I thought this was some inside industry term that the real cruisers would expose me as some common ferry boat rider from the sticks.
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Ocean Liners
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posted 10-01-2005 08:11 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Orcades' Special Suite had Verandah and Sitting Room on "B" deck or Himalaya's Deluxe Verandah Cabins had Verandahs.
Canberra and Oriana also featured the Verandahs, furnished as a sitting room with picture windows.

In the sixties, Orcades/Himalaya had a door while Canberra/Oriana had curtains.

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posted 10-01-2005 08:58 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
QM2's 'hull balconies' could be called 'verandahs'. Verandahs are not high up, they are balconies. Ernst is correct in his definition. It sounds more 'exotic' as many Colonial properties in bygone days had 'verandahs', with fans and bougainvillea everywhere, on which one enjoyed afternoon tea We all had verandahs when living in the Middle East, none of which could be called a balcony; they only came on apartment blocks.

No idea why on ships they seem to interchange the terminology, apart from making things sound better than they are. The term 'stateroom' irritates me, a bugbear, it's a cabin!

Pam


My parents called our glass and screened patio in Southern California the Hawaiian name 'lanai'. It sounded very tropical and exotic to me as a child. Verandah sounds like a room w/large windows that can be opened for an indoor/outdoor effect. The term stateroom as I recall came from the Mississippi riverboats where cabins were named for various U.S. States.


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posted 10-01-2005 09:10 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are related topics about Balcon on M.M. ships or Lanais and Verandahs on Cruise Ships

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posted 10-01-2005 09:52 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Next time I set my bags down on the DELTA QUEEN I will most assuredly be staying/sleeping in a stateroom, or for that matter on the AMERICAN QUEEN or MISSISSIPPI QUEEN too.

The DELTA QUEEN has cabins, but on the river a "cabin" is a common area. Hence on the DELTA QUEEN there is the Forward Cabin Lounge and After Cabin Lounge. Mark Twain described a steamboat cabin as, "a long resplendent tunnel".


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posted 10-01-2005 11:28 PM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always envisioned balconeys as something a woman listens from as I serenade her from below, while a veranda is something to sip martinis next to a potted palm on the wall.
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posted 10-02-2005 12:56 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

The term stateroom as I recall came from the Mississippi riverboats where cabins were named for various U.S. States.


In the seventies, Delta Queen sold as Staterooms irrespective of decks though she sold as Staterooms only on Cabin deck in the eighteies.

These cabins on Texas and Sun decks were advertised as Cabins.

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posted 10-02-2005 12:59 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
A verandah is usually a (covered) "gallery" at ground floor alongside the building - closer to a promenade deck than a "balcony" - whereas a balcony is a platform "hanging" on the wall of a building.

Well put Ernst.

quote:
PamM wrote:
...It sounds more 'exotic' as many Colonial properties in bygone days had 'verandahs', with fans and bougainvillea everywhere, on which one enjoyed afternoon tea ...

...and Pam.

The verandah is typical (and synonymous) of Australian colonial homes where the verandah encircles the house, and as Pam mentioned, perfect for afternoon tea (and buttered scones) .

******

Cheers


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RVL had been advertised as "The Royal Viking Line Staterooms" irrespective of decks since very beginning.

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posted 10-02-2005 09:47 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My best friend Debbie refers to any cabin with private outdoor space as "having a shelf" - a lovely term.
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posted 10-02-2005 09:47 AM      Profile for Normandie-BCN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ethymology of "stateroom"

stately

"noble, splendid," c.1385, from state (n.1) in a sense of "costly and imposing display" (such as benefits a person of rank and wealth), c.1330; a sense also preserved in the phrase to lie in state "to be ceremoniously exposed to view before interment" (1705). Hence also stateroom(1703), reserved for ceremonial occasions; earlier (1660) it meant "a captain's cabin."


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Holland America advertised as Staterooms even for lowest inside double cabins in the early 70's brochures.

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In my hometown of Liverpool we lived in a council flat with a verandah......overlooking the bowling greens at the Gardeners Arms. It was a great place to eat "Bacon Sarnies" Cheers Chateausmith.
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