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bulbousbow
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posted 03-02-2006 12:45 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Hawaii costs drag on Norwegian
By Dave Segal
March 1, 2006

Norwegian Cruise Line's parent narrowed its fourth-quarter loss from a year ago but said operating expenses were higher due to its expansion in Hawaii.

NCL Corp. said yesterday it had a net loss of $28.8 million compared with $37.7 million a year earlier. Revenue, though, increased 22.7 percent to $398.3 million from $324.5 million.

"We continue to be pleased with the improvement in our operating income per capacity day," said Colin Veitch, president and chief executive officer of NCL. "This metric continues to show improvement despite the effect of higher fuel costs and significant startup costs associated with the expansion of our Hawaii trade."

Capacity days represent double occupancy per cabin multiplied by cruise days for the period.

NCL, based in Miami, operates two U.S.-flagged ships -- the Pride of Aloha and the Pride of America -- for interisland cruises in Hawaii. Another vessel, the Pride of Hawaii, is scheduled to be delivered in April.

The cruise line operator said its net cruise costs per capacity day during the quarter rose 6.1 percent from a year earlier, with higher payroll and related expenses primarily attributable to the U.S. crew used in the interisland cruises. The Pride of Aloha began sailing in June 2004 and the Pride of America started at the end of the second quarter of 2005.

Average fuel costs during the quarter increased 50 percent to $327 per metric ton from $218 per metric ton. NCL said it began managing its fuel costs last quarter through a fuel-swap agreement, and as of Dec. 31 had hedged 25 percent of its estimated fuel consumption for the first quarter of this year and 5 percent for the second quarter.

Operating expenses in the quarter rose 21.3 percent to $409.3 million from $337.5 million.

For the year, NCL's earnings swung to a net gain of $19.2 million from a net loss of $8.7 million in 2004. Revenue for the year increased 20.8 percent to $1.6 billion from $1.3 billion.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-02-2006 04:06 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So the SS united States will continue to rust for a while!
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Beezo
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posted 03-02-2006 10:15 AM      Profile for Beezo   Author's Homepage   Email Beezo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yea but when you think about it, this makes sense. They are still expanding in Hawaii...with another ship, the biggest yet, under construction. They still have a high turnover rate of crew, so they are in the midst of replacing older crew, ended contracts, and hiring more for the new ship. Also, they had purchased that bus service last year... I think eventually it will even out...

~Brian


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Noordam
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posted 03-02-2006 11:49 AM      Profile for Noordam   Email Noordam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tried to book a cruise to hawaii this summer, and most sailings are gone... And those that aren't are extremely expensive... I think this venture will pay off handsomely for NCL!
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-02-2006 12:05 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Noordam:
I tried to book a cruise to hawaii this summer, and most sailings are gone... And those that aren't are extremely expensive... I think this venture will pay off handsomely for NCL!

And they will keep their promise to return ss United States to service!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-02-2006 01:32 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"with higher payroll and related expenses primarily attributable to the U.S. crew used in the interisland cruises."

I bet they still get paid very poorly, which just shows you how cruise lines rely totally on very cheap third world labour, for their operations in the rest of the world.


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Joe1690
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posted 03-02-2006 04:10 PM      Profile for Joe1690     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,

Colin Veitch stated that the American Crew cost 150% of the international crew at this time but as time goes on he hopes to lower these costs by reducing the turnover. In addition it was stated that currently NCL needs to hire 300 people a week just to crew the Pride of Hawaii as well as compensate for all of the turnover on Pride of American and Pride of Aloha. That is a heck of a lot of people and I can imagine that it must be extremely difficult to find this many people every week. Also, while the American crew is paid more than the international crew I agree with you that there pay is still not comparable to other industries in the US.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-02-2006 04:14 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Joe1690:
[QB]Colin Veitch stated that the American Crew cost 150% of the international crew at this time...QB]

Interesting info Joe, thanks.

Carnival used to pay $1 per day, so maybe NCL have to pay $1.50?


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Linerrich
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posted 03-02-2006 04:15 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Joe1690:
Malcolm,

Colin Veitch stated that the American Crew cost 150% of the international crew at this time but as time goes on he hopes to lower these costs by reducing the turnover. In addition it was stated that currently NCL needs to hire 300 people a week just to crew the Pride of Hawaii as well as compensate for all of the turnover on Pride of American and Pride of Aloha. That is a heck of a lot of people and I can imagine that it must be extremely difficult to find this many people every week. Also, while the American crew is paid more than the international crew I agree with you that there pay is still not comparable to other industries in the US.


NCL is running recruitment ads in major US newspapers all the time, mainly looking for cooks, wait staff, and cabin attendants. These are the same types of jobs that are hard to fill in the land hotel industry, yet so many Americans complain that "foreigners" are coming here and stealing their jobs! How many people will scrub someone else's toilet for minimum wage or less?

Rich


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-02-2006 06:42 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Americans complain that "foreigners" are coming here and stealing their jobs! How many people will scrub someone else's toilet for minimum wage or less?

Rich


Most Americans won't even do it for $10.00-$15.00 or more per hour which is what the average (legal and illegal) housekeeper makes in L.A.. When you can make that kind of money w/out paying any taxes on it, why work on a cruise ship?


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mike sa
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posted 03-03-2006 03:30 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would bet that it is only a matter of time before NCL apply for excemption to employ international staff at lesser rates becuase of the difficulty they have recruiting and retaining US staff, give them a year or so and they will then apply for an excemption to register the ships in Panama because it costs to much !

3 ships in Hawaii will "eat" the available "audience" quite quickly given it is a lot more expensive than the Caribbean, thus it is only a matter of time before fares have to drop to sell tickets and margins get squeezed, unless they really start to give a premium experience which they seem incapable of doing 2 years down the road , chances of SSUS ever seeing the ocean again in an active way - zero.


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Linerrich
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posted 03-03-2006 07:20 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:

3 ships in Hawaii will "eat" the available "audience" quite quickly given it is a lot more expensive than the Caribbean, thus it is only a matter of time before fares have to drop to sell tickets.


It does seem like overkill to have so much tonnage and capacity in one small market. I would have thought that NCLA would take advantage of their US flag status to operate some coastal itineraries around the US--West Coast, Gulf Coast/Florida, Eastern Seaboard, New England. Perhaps there is not enough demand for these domestic itineraries to fill such large ships?

Rich


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Jamaica Jeff
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posted 03-03-2006 10:32 PM      Profile for Jamaica Jeff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It does seem like overkill with three ships all doing just about the same cruise. Can NCL run a ship from L.A. to Hawaii similar to the Island Princess?
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-03-2006 11:19 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jamaica Jeff:
It does seem like overkill with three ships all doing just about the same cruise. Can NCL run a ship from L.A. to Hawaii similar to the Island Princess?

I also thought that would be a good idea. They could operate it like Matson Line did year round or offer it seasonally. Start off w/a transpacific crossing then offer an inter island cruise followed by a return crossing to L.A. or San Francisco. Sell it in segments or the entire round trip.


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posted 03-15-2006 08:44 PM      Profile for jff1   Email jff1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
I would bet that it is only a matter of time before NCL apply for excemption to employ international staff at lesser rates becuase of the difficulty they have recruiting and retaining US staff, give them a year or so and they will then apply for an excemption to register the ships in Panama because it costs to much !

3 ships in Hawaii will "eat" the available "audience" quite quickly given it is a lot more expensive than the Caribbean, thus it is only a matter of time before fares have to drop to sell tickets and margins get squeezed, unless they really start to give a premium experience which they seem incapable of doing 2 years down the road , chances of SSUS ever seeing the ocean again in an active way - zero.


If they reflag the ships would they have to return to making the long cruise south to Fanning Island? Is there costs savings by not having to do this and is there more revenue possibilities being closer to the ports in Hawaii? Just curious.

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Ernst
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posted 03-15-2006 09:03 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But if NCL is allowed to reflag and continue to operate this itinerary would not competitors also be allowed to do that?
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