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bulbousbow
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posted 04-20-2006 02:55 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Widow launches suit against cruise line
Her husband died a few hours after the couple had been put ashore north of Acapulco, Mexico
Maurice Bridge
April 19, 2006

It was a nightmare.

Put ashore in the middle of the night from a luxury cruise ship off the Mexican coast, surrounded by people whose language she could not understand, Dorothy Jones of Chilliwack watched helplessly as her husband's life slipped away.

Now, one year later, she has launched a legal attack against Miami-based Norwegian Cruise Lines and two of its doctors, seeking damages in excess of $20 million US for the wrongful death of Don Jones, a 65-year-old retired BC Transit operations supervisor.

The full story at: The Vancouver Sun - Widow launches suit against cruise line


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Sutho
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posted 04-20-2006 11:36 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like she might have a ligitimate claim.

Ships Doctors make to many assumptions these days about conditions rather than performing a proper examination.

From what I have heard about these types of problems all Doctors need do is physically feel around someones stomach and even listen with their stephaschope to realise something is not right.

I think it is wrong that the ships Doctors just dismissed her and told her to look after him when she made the first complaint. They should have at least checked him out.

Lastly they should never have landed him off the ship the way they did. Even though he may not have been alive by the time the ship reached Acapulco a good 9 hours later, at least he would have had a better chance in the ships hospital than primitive 3rd world conditions off the beaten track in Mexico.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-21-2006 12:03 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Mexico when a tourist becomes ill, the patient or their family is expected to pay for the services in full-before the patient is allowed to be released. I heard about a tourist who was injured in a boating accident and he was not allowed to be released until his mother's Visa card (she was up in the States) was approved for the $5 thousand dollar bill. This happens to countless American tourists every year who have the misfortune to get sick down there. It is NOT a good place to get sick or injured.
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PamM
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posted 04-21-2006 04:08 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lasuvidaboy the exact same things happen to non-US citizens in the US. I was held 'ransom' until my bill was paid.. as it was a weekend my insurance co could not transmit funds; I ended up paying with my own credit card instead. I was not allowed out the door until final confirmation of clearance was received, even though my insurance co used a US company, the hospital would not accept their [the US arm's] assurance that the funds would be there first thing on the Monday. I was only going half a mile down the road to an hotel too.

As for this case, I have no idea what really happened. We obviously only know the worse side of the case and I wonder why it took a year before launching a legal claim. I wonder what the autopsy showed.. it may have been something he would have died of wherever he had been, then again maybe not.. whatever I expect the wife felt somewhat 'lost' and confused at the time.

IME of Insurance Companies though, they are the ones who tell you where to go and what to do and which hospital one should be in etc... where possible. It says she spoke to her insurers, so I am also thinking that they agreed to this course of action of being put ashore rather than staying aboard? If he had died aboard and no attempt had been previously made to get him ashore to any hospital, no doubt negligence would have been claimed.. a no win situation.

With only half the story we don't know.. the other half will probably never be made known to the public.

Pam


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Tom Burke
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posted 04-21-2006 04:33 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was wondering, in fact, as to whether her claim is that the cruise line failed in its general duty of care to both her and her husband, rather than a specific claim about his medical treatment. Putting them ashore from a moving ship, at night, into a foreign country, with no assistance from the ship or company seems a little strange. (If that's what happened, of course - at the moment we only have her account.)

Contrast that with the RCI's detailed account of how they supported Mrs Smith after Mr Smith's disappearance....


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Amerikanis
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posted 04-21-2006 04:34 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In November 2004 i had an serious Asthma Attack on Board of the Zenith in my Cabin.

I was not able to go some steps, to reach Cabins Telephone, i was sitting at my Cabins Table.

It was very dangerous.

So i wrote on an piece of Paper the News for the Pursers Desk: "Asthma Attack, get no Air, need Help".

My Wife took the Paper and run to the Pursers Desk.

First an Indian Employee who was working at the Desk appears, looking for me.

In an short Time after her, the Chief Doctor Stanislaw Panfilow appears, ordering to bring me immediately to the Hospital.

Then the Cabin Steward appears with an Wheelchair and brings me down (running)

In the Hospital the second Doctor was waiting.

He told me, that the Treatment is under US Tarifs and would be an "little expensive".

They filled the Contract and i do underwrite it.

After this, they start Treatment with Oxygen and Cortisone.

It was no Problem for me with the Costs, because i am an Private Patient with an Insurance, which is World wide good for all Costs.

Normal German Sick Insurance would not pay for this, they would only refund you the Money, if you show them the Invoice, which they have to pay in Germany for Social Insurance Tarifs.

Doctors in Germany get an very good Money from their Private Patients, which are about 10 % of the Population, from the Rest of 90 % of the Population, they get the Tarifs of the Social Insurance which are low.

But it was as follows:

1. They appear in an very short Time, first the Indian Girl from the Pursers Desk, than the Chief Doctor, than the Cabin Steward.

2. They bring me fast down to the Hospital

3. In the Hospital they have Time to make the Contract, meanwhile my Colour in the Face, on the Lips and Fingers change to blue, as my Wife told me later.

4. I underwrote Contract.

5. Treatment started, sufficient and succesful...


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Globaliser
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posted 04-21-2006 07:39 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
Lastly they should never have landed him off the ship the way they did. Even though he may not have been alive by the time the ship reached Acapulco a good 9 hours later, at least he would have had a better chance in the ships hospital than primitive 3rd world conditions off the beaten track in Mexico.
As sure as eggs is eggs, if the ship had decided not to land him at that time because of the poor medical facilities ashore in that place, notwithstanding the fact that he desperately needed blood and there was none on board the ship, his widow would have sued the cruise line on the basis that they shouldn't have kept him on board.

Sometimes people have to remember that getting sick and dying is a natural part of life. Nobody promises that you won't get sick and die, or that they will prevent you from doing so.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-21-2006 12:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Lasuvidaboy the exact same things happen to non-US citizens in the US.

Pam


Pam that applies to tourists legally here. If you are illegally here, you get everything FREE! I was making a point to our US listers about one of the many problems w/Mexico. Many Mexicans (and Central Americans) come across for 'free' healthcare as there is very limited healthcare there. All you have to say is that you are here 'illegally' and they cannot detain you.


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Sutho
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posted 04-21-2006 10:00 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One point I did try to make is if you were really going to die and nothing was going to stop it, then where would you rather it be. In the comfotable surroundings of a cruise ship or unfamiliar surroundings in a foreign country where you cant speak their language.

If it were up to me and I was in his place I would have chosen to remain on the ship regardless. There are means of getting blood to a ship just as easy as getting a patient to blood.

Who knows maybe if he stayed on the ship and died there his wife may have been reasonable enough not to take legal action knowing that at least he was comfortable and not abandoned.


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