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lebelty
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posted 09-07-2006 09:12 AM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
from Seatrade Insider:
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NCL orders two 150,000gt ships from Aker Yards
07/09/2006
NCL Corp. has signed a contract with Aker Yards to build two 150,000gt cruise vessels with an option for a third. The total value of the two vessels is €1.4bn and the ships will be built at Aker’s recently acquired yard in Saint Nazaire for delivery in 2009 and 2010.
This is the first contract announced since Aker Yards became the owner of the yard in Saint Nazaire. The vessels will carry up to 6,400 people including crew, and have 2,100 passenger cabins for 4,200 lower berths. All outside staterooms will have private balconies. In total, the ship will offer more than 1,470 balcony staterooms and suites.

The ships will be 325mtr long and 40mtr wide. Facilities, restaurants and entertainment will be in line with NCL’s Freestyle Cruising concept. There is an option for a third sister for delivery in the first quarter of 2011.

Yrjö Julin, president of Cruise & Ferries, Aker Yards, comments: ‘We are very proud to be able to contribute to the bold expansion of NCL's fleet with these new type of cruise ships. The contract was made possible by using best practices from our French and Finnish yards, which currently are undergoing a rigorous integration process. Without the envisaged synergies, this contract would not have been attainable for either of the yards individually.’

The contract between NCL and Aker Yards S.A. is subject to financing, completion of the design specification and Star Cruises shareholder approval.



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moodus2
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posted 09-07-2006 09:30 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
150,000 ton floating hotels
that hold 4000 passengers !
i can see the embarkation line
now. out of the terminal and
down west side hwy manhattan.
lost $35 million first quarter? all this debt,they may have deep pockets but for
how long before the cash well
goes dry ?

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Andy
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posted 09-07-2006 10:00 AM      Profile for Andy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With the words "subject to financing", can this be in conjunction with the possible sales of NCL to MSC? They are sharing the same yard for newbuilds.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-07-2006 10:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NCL Corp. has signed a contract with Aker Yards to build two 150,000gt cruise vessels with an option for a third.

Wow...NCL finally join the mega-ship club! Exciting news for big ship fans or another nail in the coffin for those that co not thing 'big is better'.

[ 09-07-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Pascal
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posted 09-07-2006 10:37 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And NCL goes back to Saint Nazaire !!!!
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Waynaro
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posted 09-07-2006 10:44 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow! NCL is hitting that 150k range....Carnival and Princess are getting behind!

[ 09-07-2006: Message edited by: Waynaro ]


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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 09-07-2006 10:58 AM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More? Oh god why.
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greybeard
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posted 09-07-2006 01:54 PM      Profile for greybeard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
More? Oh god why.

Because some cruise lines plan to keep up with the 21st Century.

Whereas some CT correspondents have no desire to.

[ 09-07-2006: Message edited by: greybeard ]


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Anders
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posted 09-07-2006 02:32 PM      Profile for Anders        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exciting news, for sure!
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Fairsky
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posted 09-07-2006 05:40 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Images? Let's see what these beasts will look like.

How about name ideas?

Norwegian Song
Norwegian Isle
Norwegian Cloud
Norwegian Pride

Or recycled names:
Nor. Sky
Nor. Sea
Nor. Crown


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Thad
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posted 09-07-2006 05:59 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like they will be pretty bulky ships, at 1066 feet, they are about 26 feet shorter than the new MSC ships, but are to be close to 20,000gt larger. I am surprised they are not being built on the same hull platform, ut maybe it is very similar. I too am looking forward to images of these ships, I hope they are similar to the 90,000gt ship Aker designed previously for NCL, just larger. That ship was in my opinion pretty attractive.

Here is that 90,000gt one:


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6263866
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posted 09-07-2006 06:58 PM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is neither exciting or bad news to me, just another cruise line building mega ships, but who knows, this could end up being a pretty neat ship.

That Aker drawing looks really nice, to bad they didn't build it.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-07-2006 07:41 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can’t help finding big ships exciting even though I know that big is not always better.

However, I rarely find their itineraries exciting.


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Magic Pipe
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posted 09-07-2006 08:11 PM      Profile for Magic Pipe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
Sounds like they will be pretty bulky ships, at 1066 feet, they are about 26 feet shorter than the new MSC ships, but are to be close to 20,000gt larger. I am surprised they are not being built on the same hull platform, ut maybe it is very similar. I too am looking forward to images of these ships, I hope they are similar to the 90,000gt ship Aker designed previously for NCL, just larger. That ship was in my opinion pretty attractive.

Here is that 90,000gt one:


That Aker design was a restyled Spirit Class, no. Anyhow, that design seems to have been adopted for the Orphalese residence ship.


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shipcafe
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posted 09-07-2006 10:56 PM      Profile for shipcafe   Author's Homepage   Email shipcafe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm more excited to see what the design will be like from this newly integrated shipyard. Not so much excited to see a newer, bigger ship necessarily.

I do enjoy the NCL product for what it provides and will be interested to see what they do with the extra square footage. More bowling alleys?


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Joe1690
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posted 09-07-2006 11:39 PM      Profile for Joe1690     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I'm concerned about these vessels because of there higher passenger capacity capacity in comparison to their tonnage. The space ratio double occupancy will be approximately 36 versus the Dawn's 40 and the Jewel about 38. Thus if the cabins get bigger public space will go down. If the cabins get smaller then the public space will be larger meaning more innovations but it seems unlikely that they can accomodate many extra restaurants and new ideas while decreasing the space ratio. I think it was a great idea to have such a large percentage of balcony cabins but hope the pool deck is much improved from the Dawn where space was always at a premium. Also, I hope they add an adequate number of pools because the Dawn's pool was always crowded and small for the number of passengers onboard. It is good to see that NCL will have larger ships to compete with the big boys but they really should have made the ship hold about 3800 passengers to make it far more comfortable.
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mike sa
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posted 09-08-2006 02:52 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While Princess have consistantly said that they are happy with the Grand Class size of ship and have no plans to build bigger it is only a matter of time before they to go bigger in order to compete for the great American Mid West dollar, twice they held the title of owning the biggest so perhaps we can expect them to try again ? Carnival have always wanted bigger ships but claimed they were simply waiting for a favourable exchange rate, they will no doubt order at some stage but will it be with Fincantieri who have never built anything bigger than the Crown Princess ? NCLs debt gearing for their new ships makes them vunerable to a take over as they simply do not have the funds available to fight one off, the new tonnage also makes them attractive as new orders will likely cost more and the build slots are less available, Carnival have the funds but would probably not succeed from a competition point of view, RCI have stated they wish to improve their balance sheet - taking on NCL would hardly improve that given the amount of debt to extra income, MSC would be the only player who would have the funds and face no regulatory issues.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-08-2006 07:12 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Joe1690:
The space ratio double occupancy will be approximately 36 versus the Dawn's 40 and the Jewel about 38.

There is of course an inversely proportion link between fares a space ratios. In other words generally the more passengers you pack on to a ship, the cheaper the fares you can offer. Maybe NCL simply plan to undercut the competition. Am I right in thinking that they already tend to compete on price (not NCL America) rather than quality?

When the masses book a cruises, they look at the bottom line (the fare) not the ‘space-ratio’, if they even know what one is.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 09-08-2006 10:05 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
While Princess have consistantly said that they are happy with the Grand Class size of ship and have no plans to build bigger it is only a matter of time before they to go bigger in order to compete for the great American Mid West dollar, twice they held the title of owning the biggest so perhaps we can expect them to try again ? Carnival have always wanted bigger ships but claimed they were simply waiting for a favourable exchange rate, they will no doubt order at some stage but will it be with Fincantieri who have never built anything bigger than the Crown Princess ? NCLs debt gearing for their new ships makes them vunerable to a take over as they simply do not have the funds available to fight one off, the new tonnage also makes them attractive as new orders will likely cost more and the build slots are less available, Carnival have the funds but would probably not succeed from a competition point of view, RCI have stated they wish to improve their balance sheet - taking on NCL would hardly improve that given the amount of debt to extra income, MSC would be the only player who would have the funds and face no regulatory issues.

NCL's debt in no way, shape or form makes them vulnerable to a takeover. Remember, NCL is owned by Star and Star themselves owned by the mammoth Genting Berhard.

Star and NCL's debt is also structured to prevent any type of hostile takeover attempt as all of the debt carries covenants that require Star to retain majority ownership and control. If there is any material change in ownership, the debt is revoked and must satisfied on demand.

This precludes any other entity from wresting control withut the express consent of Star and the banks as they would need debt facilities in excess of $5 Billion USD in place.

--Tim


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mike sa
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posted 09-08-2006 10:55 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And Standard & Poor today increased their risk indicator for Star to BB quoting an increased financial risk due to NCL increasing their debt to finance their 2 new builds as reported in the Business section of The Strait Times. To me this could put them at risk especially if as reported they do go ahead with a public listing at some stage. Obviously Colin and team think they know what they are doing and indeed the hardware is no doubt better than before but it is still to be seen if NCL America actually performs financially and it is strange that NCL still cannot even make an operating profit when every other cruise line in the world is ! OK their debt is huge (AND GETTING BIGGER) but it was their choice to run the business this way and with interest rates worldwide likely to only go up their gearing is not looking healthy, as for exchanges rates and fuel prices yes this is a reason but every other cruise line is in exactly the same place and yet for them it is not an issue (at least not to the same extent). However it is true that freestyle cruising costs more to operate in terms of food , it is also true that NCL America has not been a financial success yet, mostly due to management failures although they do seem to be getting better. In the 90s at a Cruise Convention or conference I recall a representative of RCCL saying when asked about the current climate for cruise lines "its great, EVEN NCL is making money". They do not have the best of records.
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PamM
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posted 09-08-2006 11:27 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
And Standard & Poor today increased their risk indicator for Star to BB quoting an increased financial risk due to NCL increasing their debt to finance their 2 new builds as reported in the Business section of The Strait Times.

The newbuilds are subject to completion of the design and specification, shareholder approval & financing. So if the above and specifically the financing has not yet been agreed, how can S&P state the above? Do S&P already know how and where the funds are coming from?

Pam


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