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Joe99
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posted 10-06-2006 04:23 PM      Profile for Joe99     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good news especially for new cruisers.
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Linerrich
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posted 10-09-2006 07:46 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, but this is leading to all kinds of possible complications; basically you need a passport for air travel, but not for sea travel right now. We're referring to US citizens here.

However, if you're doing an Alaska cruise, and flying in or out of Vancouver, you will need a passport.

If you miss your cruise departure (weather delays, etc.) and have to meet the ship at the first port of call, you may need a passport.

If you must interrupt your cruise and fly home for an emergency, say from Aruba or Cozumel, you will need a passport.

Bottom line: it's adviseable for ALL travellers, even cruisers, to have a valid passport, to meet any and all needs.

Rich


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PamM
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posted 10-09-2006 07:59 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see that may well cause a problem Rich; I hadn't thought about all those variations. it will be extremely confusing and if Great Aunt Agatha dies, tough you can't fly home for the funeral if you don't have a passport; it will cause angst in a number of cases. Best to either say ALL have passports, or delay the introduction of the whole lot.

I had previously thought the problem was that the technology for the RFID and Bio whatever, was not yet to the standard required? causing the various extensions? Maybe I am wrong, I have not read the latest reports.

I never understand what it is that leads so many to not bothering to get passports, far easier than flaffing around with birth certs and marriage cerificates and so on. But then I suppose as we need a passport here to purely take a cross channel ferry trip, not having one is an alien concept. I have had a passport of my own since since the age of 8; a life without one has never been an option.

Pam


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Linerrich
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posted 10-10-2006 07:34 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually the cruise lines themselves have been lobbying for a delay in this legislation, fearing that a passport requirement wouldl hurt their short-cruise business. Amazing that lots of people are so reluctant to invest in a passport! It costs $92.00 and lasts for 10 years--it should be considered just part of the cost of travel.

There is quite a bit of hubris on the part of many of my fellow Yanks, who feel that we (they) may travel all over the world without any restrictions; I'm sure the overwhelming majority don't even realize that most visitors to the US need to get a visa in addition to their passport!

Now that the govt. has delayed the passport requirement for sea travel, the resorts in the Caribbean are crying "foul", since their revenues may be hurt by people who would spend thousands for a land vacation but refuse to invest in a passport!

Being in the travel industry myself, I wish they would have just implemented the requirement for everyone in January--you need a passport if you intend to travel across International borders, and that's it!

Rich


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Jekyll
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posted 10-14-2006 10:29 AM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find it odd that anyone who travels would not do so with a passport...I guess because I've always had one I never thought much about it - but it just seems second nature - and was pointed out earlier if a ship or plane HAS to go to a foreign country where a passport IS required - endless amounts of headache will follow...definitely money well spent!
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CGT
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posted 10-14-2006 09:24 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shame on the cruise industry for pushing a delay, and shame on Americans for being so ignorant.
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bmajor
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posted 10-14-2006 09:54 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We would not be allowed to leave our country without a passport.
The fee for a passport here is $NZ150.00 .They used to be issued for 10 years,but that has been changed to 5 years,and the fee remains the same.......
you just have to pay it twice.

[ 10-14-2006: Message edited by: bmajor ]


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Sutho
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posted 10-14-2006 10:57 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The rules should have been changed and enforced decades ago! Particulary in this day and age with terrorism and criminals fleeing the country it would appear you could get out of the US with no problems and no passport if you book a cruise. Does the government realise how easy it is to make counterfit drivers licence's?

As for passports in Australia they are for 10 years and 5 years for senior citizens over 75. There are cruises with P&O that you can take with no passport such as Sydney to Sydney cruises to nowhere or between Australian cities without going international.

Personally I cant see how it will effect the travel industry as millions of other people all around the world have to get passports. It is also important to have them for your own security and identification.


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Linerrich
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posted 10-15-2006 08:12 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:

Personally I cant see how it will effect the travel industry as millions of other people all around the world have to get passports. It is also important to have them for your own security and identification.

This delay in passport requirements (for US citizens) is mainly affecting the tourism industy of Mexico and the Caribbean, where people must fly in and out. A surprising number of tourists are cancelling their land resort vacations in favor of cruises, where they don't need a passport (technically.)

I do not understand the mentality of people who may spend thousands to stay at an all-inclusive resort in Jamaica or Cancun, yet balk at the incidental expense of getting a passport!

Rich


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-15-2006 01:26 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People are always resistant to I.D. cards or passports. The rest of the world has managed to comes to terms with passports.

The American public will get over it!

[ 10-15-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Sutho
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posted 10-17-2006 03:02 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everyone I know who has traveled loves the fact you have a passport that gets stamped with all the places you go. It is kind of a souveneir.

Do the American people really care that they need a passport or is it the government bowing to the needs of a miniscule amount of lazy people who couldnt be bothered getting a passport?


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-17-2006 07:04 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
[QB]Everyone I know who has traveled loves the fact you have a passport that gets stamped with all the places you go. It is kind of a souveneir.
[QB]

In many parts of the world they no longer bother to give what once were attractive passport stamps.


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StevesanTX
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posted 10-20-2006 03:56 PM      Profile for StevesanTX        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's smart to obtain/renew a passport as soon as possible.

The State Department has redesigned passports to imbed an RFID (Radio Frequency Identity) chip that has wifi capability. The chip contains enough personal information that Identity theft is a real possibility.

Following is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Washington Post:


RFID chips don't have to be plugged in to a reader to operate. Like the chips used for automatic toll collection on roads or automatic fare collection on subways, these chips operate via proximity. The risk to you is the possibility of surreptitious access: Your passport information might be read without your knowledge or consent by a government trying to track your movements, a criminal trying to steal your identity or someone just curious about your citizenship.
At first the State Department belittled those risks, but in response to criticism from experts it has implemented some security features. Passports will come with a shielded cover, making it much harder to read the chip when the passport is closed. And there are now access-control and encryption mechanisms, making it much harder for an unauthorized reader to collect, understand and alter the data.
Although those measures help, they don't go far enough. The shielding does no good when the passport is open. Travel abroad and you'll notice how often you have to show your passport: at hotels, banks, Internet cafes. Anyone intent on harvesting passport data could set up a reader at one of those places. And although the State Department insists that the chip can be read only by a reader that is inches away, the chips have been read from many feet away.
The other security mechanisms are also vulnerable, and several security researchers have already discovered flaws. One found that he could identify individual chips via unique characteristics of the radio transmissions. Another successfully cloned a chip. The State Department called this a "meaningless stunt," pointing out that the researcher could not read or change the data. But the researcher spent only two weeks trying; the security of your passport has to be strong enough to last 10 years.
This is perhaps the greatest risk. The security mechanisms on your passport chip have to last the lifetime of your passport. It is as ridiculous to think that passport security will remain secure for that long as it would be to think that you won't see another security update for Microsoft Windows in that time. Improvements in antenna technology will certainly increase the distance at which they can be read and might even allow unauthorized readers to penetrate the shielding.
Whatever happens, if you have a passport with an RFID chip, you're stuck. Although popping your passport in the microwave will disable the chip, the shielding will cause all kinds of sparking. And although the United States has said that a nonworking chip will not invalidate a passport, it is unclear if one with a deliberately damaged chip will be honored.

The Colorado passport office is already issuing RFID passports, and the State Department expects all U.S. passport offices to be doing so by the end of the year. Many other countries are in the process of changing over. So get a passport before it's too late. With your new passport you can wait another 10 years for an RFID passport, when the technology will be more mature, we have a better understanding of the security risks and there will be other technologies we can use to cut the risks. You don't want to be a guinea pig on this one.


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Sutho
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posted 10-20-2006 06:55 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that above is going too far for passport security. I thought the passports as they are today are good enough and are able to be machine read by placing the page into a computer.

With this chip is it possible to disable it with a magnet?

Everyone needs a passport to travel but it is wrong to go to far with security enhancements that are of no real benefit and pose more problems in the long run.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-20-2006 09:29 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another problem w/these new forms of electronic ID is that the 10-20 year old US customs computers are not up to the task of correctly reading them. You can still have fraudulent passports and 'Green Cards' as an example that the outdated system accepts as authentic. So much for security.
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CGT
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posted 10-20-2006 09:47 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RFID Blocking Passport Case:

http://www.difrwear.com/products.shtml

Thank God for Geeks


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meriflower
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posted 11-08-2006 01:40 PM      Profile for meriflower        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's probably more about spending the extra money is why some people do not get passports. What may be a small amount to you may not be for others.

I agree with Linerrich, "Bottom line: it's adviseable for ALL travellers, even cruisers, to have a valid passport, to meet any and all needs."

Nancy


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