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posted 10-21-2006 09:09 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was wondering why does it seem like there are no cruises to the west coast of the U.S? I know theres Sn Fransico and Los Angeles but they all go to somewhere else like Hawaii and Mexico. There are some increadibly beautiful places though out California espesaily around the coast for exsample Point Rayes. So why don't they cruise here?
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posted 10-21-2006 09:50 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I couldn't agree more!! Celebrity and HAL have already started doing short sampler 2-3 days out of Vancouver and Seattle and they seem to be catching on! However no one does regular say Vancouver to L.A. along the coast with stops in Oregon and S.F.! I think someone shoud do a 12-14day Vancouver to Acapulco, one way with stops at San Fransisco,Puerto Vallarta,Mazatlan and Acapulco return stopping at Cabo San Lucas,Ensenada,San Diego,Portland and Victoria return to Vancouver,BC with the return offering 2 full days at sea! Or you could make it a One Way to Acapulco or vice versa.

Also the cruise lines short start looking at doing 1-2 day party cruises out of the bigger cities on a regular basis such as Vancouver,Portland,L.A.,San Fransisico and even the East Coast too!


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posted 10-21-2006 09:50 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Jones Act - basically foreign flagged ships cannot carry passengers between two US ports without going to a foreign port of call in between.

You might notice that lines like Cruise West do itineraries along the Western Coast.


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posted 10-21-2006 09:52 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jekyll:
The Jones Act - basically foreign flagged ships cannot carry passengers between two US ports without going to a foreign port of call in between.

You might notice that lines like Cruise West do itineraries along the Western Coast.


GP - you posted at the same time I did and you're right they could do it if they began the cruises in Canada....


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posted 10-22-2006 02:37 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yea, Ive noticed that, it really sucks for people like me who love cruise ships. I figured that there is more money else where, either down south (Mexico, Baja, Riveira), or up north(Alaska, BC) but not in between. I wish they would have more of those 1 or 2 night party cruises though.

The Jones Act - basically foreign flagged ships cannot carry passengers between two US ports without going to a foreign port of call in between.

quote:

Wait, so a ship going form Juneau to Seattle would have to stop at a foriegn port afterwards, or...???


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posted 10-22-2006 02:40 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:

The Jones Act - basically foreign flagged ships cannot carry passengers between two US ports without going to a foreign port of call in between.

Wait, so a ship going form Juneau to Seattle would have to stop at a foriegn port afterwards, or...???


Yes - as in Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo, Prince Rupert - British Columbia....


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posted 10-22-2006 02:41 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jekyll:

Yes - as in Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo, Prince Rupert - British Columbia....


Well not necesarily BEFORE or AFTER but DURING the itinerary


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posted 10-22-2006 07:02 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the 1970s, Pacific Far East Line operated their Monterey and Mariposa on roundtrip cruises to Alaska from Los Angeles w/stops in San Fran. It was a very convenient departure point for people living in Southern California. Of course the Matson Line had their liner/cruise service to Hawaii up until 1970 from L.A. and S.F.. during the early years of the 20th Century, the ss harvard and ss Yale operated overnight liner voyages between L.A. and S.F. but w/the advent of faster train and later air service it was phased out. Much of the incredible California/Oregon Coast is best seen by car or rail (if possible) and there are limited port facilities up and down the coast for cruise ships. I would think NCL America could operate a round trip coastal cruise up to Seattle/Vancouver and back from L.A. w/possible stops in Santa Barbara, Monterey, San Fran, Portand etc.. That could be a very enjoyable summer cruise IMO.
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posted 10-22-2006 10:39 PM      Profile for Tim Agg     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another good coastal port is Astoria - the chance to cross the Columbia Bar and enjoy the Riverwalk pathway and streetcar along the old port; a good maritime nuseum; lots of Victorian buildings; the Lewis & Clark history; and the seafood, fresh produce and great wines of Oregon. We visited on the Zuiderdam recently, and were charmed.
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posted 10-23-2006 10:38 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forget about Mexico!! Don't we have enough trouble with the illegals. It's getting to the point where you need to speak two languages here in the US.
I can see going from San Diego to Seattle,with all US ports along the coast. When are they going to exempt the cruise industry from this old law?!!
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posted 10-23-2006 10:43 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frosty 4:
Forget about Mexico!! Don't we have enough trouble with the illegals. It's getting to the point where you need to speak two languages here in the US.

Frosty 4

Come down here to Miami, where you only need one language: Spanish!

Rich


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posted 10-23-2006 12:09 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Come down here to Miami, where you only need one language: Spanish!

Rich


That is so funny you mentioned that. Last night I was telling a friend that when I was in Miami Beach a few years ago, I went into a large chain drug store (I think it was Eckards-sp??) and I asked where the cold medicine was. The pretty young girl behind the counter looked at me blankly for what seemed like several minutes. I then realized that she spoke NO English! Even in L.A. it is not that bad as most clerks dealing w/the general public have to speak at least some English. Luckily I speak Spanish but that does not change the fact of this growing problem.


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posted 10-23-2006 12:26 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

That is so funny you mentioned that. Last night I was telling a friend that when I was in Miami Beach a few years ago, I went into a large chain drug store (I think it was Eckards-sp??) and I asked where the cold medicine was. The pretty young girl behind the counter looked at me blankly for what seemed like several minutes. I then realized that she spoke NO English! Even in L.A. it is not that bad as most clerks dealing w/the general public have to speak at least some English. Luckily I speak Spanish but that does not change the fact of this growing problem.


That's just a fact of life here, where approx. 70% of the population is Hispanic, and a huge percentage of those people speak no English. You can literally live your entire life here, getting by in Spanish. I'm Anglo, and have lived here for 26 years, but I speak fluent Spanish. Not a single day has gone by when I did not use it for some reason or another.

Rich


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posted 10-23-2006 12:28 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

You can literally live your entire life here, getting by in Spanish. I'm Anglo, and have lived here for 26 years, but I speak fluent Spanish. Not a single day has gone by when I did not use it for some reason or another.

Rich


So much for the so called 'melting pot'


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posted 10-23-2006 12:52 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Try checking in at Miami for a cruise where the clerk knew no English at all and did not appear to understand any of the forms; then try and get past the security person into the waiting area, whose only English appeared to be 'Passport' 'Photo-Id' and 'No'... impossible to explain that check-in retained my passport as a non-US Citizen and no, my driving licence does not have a picture... beyond my very limited Spanish.

Pam


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posted 10-23-2006 01:15 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't there as well a town in the Miami area where about 40% of the population speak French ? I think I've read that somewhere...
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posted 10-23-2006 01:46 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:
Wait, so a ship going form Juneau to Seattle would have to stop at a foriegn port afterwards, or...???
No, a ship can't carry people from Juneau to Seattle unless it calls at a "distant" foreign port between the two cities. None of the Canadian west coast ports count as "distant". So that's the end of that. But a cruise that sails from a US port to a Canadian port is fine. I suspect that the problem is that there just aren't that many times of the year when it makes commercial sense to do it.

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posted 10-23-2006 01:49 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
Isn't there as well a town in the Miami area where about 40% of the population speak French ? I think I've read that somewhere...

We're getting totally off-topic here, but there is a large Haitian community in Miami, where Creole is spoken, similar to French. And during the Winter months we get a lot of French-Canadian snowbirds, speaking Quebecois French.

Rich


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

We're getting totally off-topic here, but there is a large Haitian community in Miami, where Creole is spoken, similar to French. And during the Winter months we get a lot of French-Canadian snowbirds, speaking Quebecois French.

Rich



Thanks for your answer, Rich... And yes, I was completely off-topic !

BTW, I think that US West and East coast cruises would be quite popular for the european pax as well. Cities such as LA or SF at the West and NY, Boston, Washngton and Philadelphia on the East are quite attractive for an european tourist. Putting several of them in a same itinerary would attract IMO many euro pax.


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posted 10-23-2006 02:24 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:

BTW, I think that US West and East coast cruises would be quite popular for the european pax as well. Cities such as LA or SF at the West and NY, Boston, Washngton and Philadelphia on the East are quite attractive for an european tourist. Putting several of them in a same itinerary would attract IMO many euro pax.

I had always assumed that NCL America would or could put one of it's US-flagged ships on the coastal cruises, at least seasonally. But recently I read that their US-flag proviso is for Hawaii only--can anyone shed more light on those arrangements?

Rich


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

I had always assumed that NCL America would or could put one of it's US-flagged ships on the coastal cruises, at least seasonally. But recently I read that their US-flag proviso is for Hawaii only--can anyone shed more light on those arrangements?

Rich


I think that is the case with the Hawaii ships whch was why NCL had hinted they would use the SSUS for the US itineraries.


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quote:
Originally posted by timb:

I think that is the case with the Hawaii ships whch was why NCL had hinted they would use the SSUS for the US itineraries.


If the SSUS was ever to return to service (which seems unlikely) and did cruises on the east and west coasts, could she use the Panama Canal? I thought the maximum length of ships using the canal today is approx. 965' yet the SSUS is 990'.


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Knowing she was built to transport troops in time of war I can't believe they would have made her to big for the canal.....I don't know for sure though. I bet we have our answer in a few hours though
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posted 10-23-2006 07:11 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

If the SSUS was ever to return to service (which seems unlikely) and did cruises on the east and west coasts, could she use the Panama Canal? I thought the maximum length of ships using the canal today is approx. 965' yet the SSUS is 990'.


Yes, the UNITED STATES was the PanaMax ship of her day--the locks being 1000 feet long, she could just squeeze into them, with about one foot of clearance on either side.

Rich


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Yes, the UNITED STATES was the PanaMax ship of her day--the locks being 1000 feet long, she could just squeeze into them, with about one foot of clearance on either side.

Rich


So it seems that at some point the max dimensions were changed to 965'x105'. The SSUSs 990' does seem to be very tight for a ship in a 1000' Panama lock yet she is also 4 feet narrower (101') than todays Panamax width.


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