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Cambodge
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posted 10-18-2007 11:01 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I mentioned a few days ago, that I am in the planning phases for a Spring Cruise. I shall shun the "Norwegian" and "Pride of" vessels, per the advice of my CT colleagues.

Having noted the monumental unpleasantness of North American Airports and air travel throughout the summer, and with the horrors of "holiday travel" in the not too far distance. I brought up the "Vacations to Go" travel matrices, and emerged with the following working hypothesis:

Amtrak sleeper, Baltimore to Ft. Lauderdale.
Celebrity's Infinity to San Francisco via the Panama Canal (16 days).
The California Zephyr, Sleeper to Chicago
The "Capitol Limited", Sleeper to Washington.
Local train back to Baltimore.

It can be done, and the total Amtrak first-class fares, to include meals, turned out to be quite reasonable.

Just think, I can travel without taking my shoes off, and stay out of the ^&*~@$ Airports!

I have already made my train reservations..as sleepers are hard to come by.

And yes, Brits, "sleepers" are railway cars in which one can assume the recumbent position for rest, and are also your term for "crossties."


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timb
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posted 10-18-2007 12:54 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My only caution would be make sure you have your train scheduled to arrive with plent of advance time. I have yet to pick someone up from Amtrak that wasn't seriously behind schedule sometimes as much as 12 hours
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-18-2007 01:08 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One way to avoid airports hassles is to fly out of smaller regional airports if possible. We use Burbank here in L.A. several times each year and in reality it is not much different than flying pre-9/11 (except of course the removal of shoes). When we use LAX we always fly non-stop and try to depart early in the day for domestic flights. That seems to be the best way to avoid delays and cancelled flights.
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nathan
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posted 10-18-2007 01:29 PM      Profile for nathan     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like a wonderful trip.
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DAMBROSI
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posted 10-18-2007 02:33 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wish I had seen this post earlier. You could have landed at Long Beach Airport too. It's nice and small, it has the feel of the 40's and 50's for the interiors; maybe even a little ocean liner like.
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dmwnc1
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posted 10-18-2007 03:20 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love to travel AMTRAK and have done so extensively over the years. I'll assume you too have travelled AMTRAK and know the luggage restrictions especially for packing for such an extensive trip as yours is. If you have questions I would be honored to try and answer them.

On one of my trips I road the rails from Salisbury NC to Raleigh-Jacksonville-LA, then picked up the GALAXY for a 12-night cruise to Alaska that ended in Vancouver (2-night post cruise) then took AMTRAK Vancouver-Seattle-CHI-DC-Salisbury NC.

I have also done several cross-country excursons on the same trip and cruised in the middle (Charlotte-DC-CHI-Seattle-San Diego-LA (cruise)LA-San Fran-Chicago-Seattle-Vancouver-Seattle-Chicago-DC-Charlotte) included a 4-night on the ECSTASY.

AMTRAK's California Zephyr is arguably the most scenic regular passenger rail service in the country and s wonderful in the winter as you climb into the Sierra Nevada mountains (best views out the left), travel thru the magnificent canyons and tunnels crossing the Rockies (best views out the right), and hit the flat plains of the midwest. The Capital Limited is great thru the Cumberland Valley and Potomoc River in the panhandle of Maryland. The Silver Service has limited scenery but is intersting none the less. I love the Double Decker cars of the Zephyr and Limited so you can get exercise walking to and from all the cars and up and down stairs and the views from the Dome Cars are great. Silver Service is single height cars and somewhat restricts your movement except to and from the diner and snack car. The food on AMTRAK is quite good although not Celebrity-quality.

My next cruise is going to be out of NY taking the train from Pittsburg-NY Penn Station then a quick taxi to the ship. Trains are indeed a great way to travel to the ports of embarkation, most if not all ports are serviced by AMTRAK, and the train stations are right downtown where as most airports are outside of town.

Do allow a buffer as some of the Long Distance trains do arrive late, up to 12 hours. The Crescent from New Orleans-NYC hit a car in Greer SC this past Tuesday and delayed the arrival by 7 hours into NY.

www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2007-10-16-0006.html

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Cambodge
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posted 10-18-2007 03:32 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am allowing a one night hotel in Ft. Lauderdale, and two night Hotel in San Francisco. That puts enough slack into the system to be prudent.

I have not visited SFO since 1953! I am aiming for a meal at Fisherman's Wharf. Any recommendations?


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desirod7
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posted 10-18-2007 04:30 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
I am allowing a one night hotel in Ft. Lauderdale, and two night Hotel in San Francisco. That puts enough slack into the system to be prudent.

I have not visited SFO since 1953! I am aiming for a meal at Fisherman's Wharf. Any recommendations?


Cambodge,

Henlery is a good hotel.
Fisherman's Warf is a trite tourist trap.
North Beach is known for the restaurants.
SOMA is trendy but not so safe at night.
The Haight Ashbury has gentrified.
Union Square is still beautiful.
Golden Gate Park has a luscious Japanese tea garden.
Tenderloin is a dangerous area.


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Matts
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posted 10-18-2007 05:04 PM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
And yes, Brits, "sleepers" are railway cars in which one can assume the recumbent position for rest, and are also your term for "crossties."

Hey we have some still. London to Scotland and London to Cornwall. But thats it. I love the idea of sleeping on trains, but in practice I find it difficult with the clattering and movement. I did take the lovely cross canada sleeper thing and got not a wink of sleep as it was a shorter formation and I was 1 or 2 coaches back from the engine, which tooted at every little road crossing - all night!. Still I assume those US ones offer some good chance of sleeping. It all sounds terribly like recreating the romance of travel. Hope it goes well.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-18-2007 05:15 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I once took a train along the Nile. I would not call that sleep either. I just laid awake all night with my eyes closed. In the morning I was more tired that if I'd just stayed up all night.
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Tom Burke
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posted 10-18-2007 05:50 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My daughter once took a train from (I think) Seattle to Chicago. It sort-of arrived on time - just a day late.
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dougnewman
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posted 10-18-2007 09:23 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
I have not visited SFO since 1953! I am aiming for a meal at Fisherman's Wharf. Any recommendations?

As David says, Fisherman's Wharf is a tourist trap. Lots of poor, overpriced restaurants.

San Francisco is one of the best "food" cities in the US (maybe the world) but I won't make any specific recommendations as I haven't been there for about three years.


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Cambodge
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posted 10-18-2007 10:08 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcom, In 1969 Nancy and I took the train from Cairo to Luxor, which, I assume is the one to which you refered. It was indeed the most ass-rattling trainride I have ever taken....no strike that---, the meter-gauge line across Corsica was worse.

Anyhow, it was explained to me that the line had acquired some new lightweight cars, of which they were very proud. But the old heavy cars gave a smooth ride on the bad track, while the new lightweight cars spent as much time going from side to side as they did going forward.


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