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KansasK
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posted 06-01-2008 11:36 PM      Profile for KansasK   Email KansasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I came across a review for the Adventure of the Seas written by cruiser who claims they arrived at the pier at 3 minutes to 5:00, the departure time, and the ship was already 10 feet from the dock. Their taxi on their excursion had a flat tire and they tried to get back to the ship earlier, but could not.

The dock office called the ship for them and asked if it would come back or if they could ride the pilot boat to the ship. The captain would not agree to either and she told him that they did not have their passports. The captain arranged to have their passports taken from the safe in their cabin and had the pilot boat pick up the passports and deliver them to them on the dock. She said they had the passports by 5:15 and they could have easily been on the ship by then since the pilot boat picked up the passports to bring to them. The official on the dock said that this captain never uses the pilot boat to board late guests, but others do.

She said they had to spend over $500.00 for a hotel and to fly to the next port to meet the ship. She feels this is a matter of customer service and RCI failed to provide good customer service. They boarded the ship at the next port and finished their cruise.

I think it is unfortunate that they had such bad luck, but we are personally responsible to get ourselves back on board well in advance of the departure time, especially if we are not on a ship's excursion. Every ship emphasizes the time we have to be on board.

Is it common for a ship to let late passengers ride the pilot boat to catch the ship?


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posted 06-02-2008 03:17 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by KansasK:
Is it common for a ship to let late passengers ride the pilot boat to catch the ship?
I've been on a cruise where we stopped so that one of the ship's tenders could go back to the dock to collect late passengers. But they boarded from the ship's tender platform, and we were still in the calm waters within the harbour in St Thomas. I imagine that trying to board a ship from a pilot boat might be a very different kettle of fish in terms of difficulty and risk, and it doesn't surprise me at all that the ship might refuse to do that - even if there are other circumstances in which ships might be able to allow passengers to come out on a pilot boat and board safely. It must all depend on the circumstances.

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posted 06-02-2008 10:01 AM      Profile for NWLB   Author's Homepage   Email NWLB   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As its been explained to me by one who has had to make the call, its all a matter of fuel and time.

I feel for the couple, but its part of the deal my own friends and family always take into account. One slip getting off the Pilot boat, and you are several hours of coverage on CNN and somebody in the US congress wants an investigation. Then some disabled person in the US sues to prevent anybody from trying, saying people in wheel chairs can't get into pilot boats to do the same thing. Then the people on board the ship sue because they were ten minutes late getting to the next port.


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Grant
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posted 06-02-2008 10:05 AM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here in Victoria we often see passengers left on the dock after the ship has sailed. The vessel always waits for their shore tours to return, even if delaya are encountered; but never wait-even a few minutes for independent travelers. In all the years I have been around the docks, no late passenger or crew have ever been transported by the pilot boat or tugs. Miss the ship, and you are your own in catching the ship up in the next port. On occasion we have passengers on the dock waiting for the ship they missed in Alaska, and they are sure upset at the cost of getting here with airfare and hotels not coming cheap!!
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PamM
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posted 06-02-2008 10:17 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if these people phoned the port agent/ship as soon as they knew the time was going to be tight? If the Capt knew they would be there in 5 mins it may have made a difference. If they did not call ahead then the ship would have had no idea where they were or even if there ws an intention to reboard or not.

Many factors come into play as to whether a pilot boat or tender can be used, best to assume not and ensure you are back in plenty of time. Things do go wrong, in which case you take the brunt and don't whinge about the ship not waiting and it cost so much to catch up with it. To pay the bill for the pilot launch or the ship coming back to port might be quite a bit higher.

Pam


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mike sa
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posted 06-02-2008 10:48 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships will not wait past their departure time unless it is a scheduled ships excursion and ships crews are instructed as such, time costs money it is that simple. On occasion ships will have to turn around to pick up stranded guests or they will be transferred by pilot boat or tug, however this is normally when the persons involved do not have required visas or the like for an overnight stay, for instance Russian pax left on an island who can visit for the day but must depart with the ship - this is less common nowadays though otherwise no chance. Used to be crew who missed the ship were dismissed, now a days they get a warning but don't do it twice !

It is dead simple always assume you will take longer to get back than you will and you will never be left behind. No sympathy.


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joe at travelpage
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posted 06-02-2008 11:28 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When we were leaving New York on QE2 back in 1990, an elderly couple missed the boat and were brought out by tug. They can be seen sitting in lawn chairs near the stern.

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The tug pulled up and they were helped aboard:

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We met them several days later over cocktails in the Princess Grill Lounge and they seemed to have enjoyed the experience. For the reasons cited above I don't think this would happen today.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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eroller
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posted 06-02-2008 01:15 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These days everything is about liability. I'm sure there are many reasons why the cruise companies and the pilot boat operators don't want to transport passengers after the ship has officially departed. Different times we live in.

Ernie


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 06-02-2008 01:21 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lucy had a helicoptor take her out to the ss Constitution. Of course this would never (maybe never) happen but it looked good.
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PamM
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posted 06-02-2008 01:52 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It depends on who you are doesn't it Jimmy Savile climbed aboard QE2 off Scarborough last year as his 'port' of embarkation, and QM2 a couple of years back. No-one else would be permitted to.


Pam


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Pascal
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posted 06-02-2008 03:40 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
These days everything is about liability. I'm sure there are many reasons why the cruise companies and the pilot boat operators don't want to transport passengers after the ship has officially departed. Different times we live in.

Ernie



The pilot boat operators are generaly more than OK with this (extra money) but it's the ship's masters who refuse it most of the time (it depends of their mood).


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jetwet1
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posted 06-02-2008 04:32 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hold on a second...

1. I agree, it's down to the pax to make sure they get back early enough.

2. The ship left before the departure time, that to me smells like law suit, some shark of a lawyer will go after RCL for this "harrowing incident" , of course forgetting that you are supposed to be on board 30 minutes before departure. But still, in the eyes of the pax, they made it to the pier before the ship was supposed to leave.


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PamM
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posted 06-02-2008 04:42 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They did not make it to the pier under the terms & conditions of their carriage. I do not know what RCI's small print is, but I suspect if the pax are responsible for a delay in departure then they will be required to pay whatever additional charges are levied by the port authorities. A ship cannot leave at any time it feels like. The actual time is determined by other factors, such as the number of vessels in port, pilotage, dockers and so on. The port authority dictates and if they are held up by a passenger from any ship a charge will be levied.

Pam


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Frosty 4
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posted 06-02-2008 05:18 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have been on some ships that did NOT leave at the stated time. I did not see anyone coming onboard during the time after in some case 1/2 hour late.The ship will wait for those on cruise sponsored excursions.Most buses carry 40-50 passengers who would be very upset if they missed the ship due to a bus delay or problem.
They state quite clearly when the ship leaves and have signs when departing the ship. Yet we have seen many people running back to the ship with shopping bags flying in order to get aboard,Sorry,but passengers need to abide by the rules. Trouble is some live in a "WE/I Generation".
Frosty 4

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annnthony
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posted 06-02-2008 06:00 PM      Profile for annnthony   Email annnthony   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, but, bottom line, the ship should not have left three minutes early.....just common courtesy for however delayed passengers!!

Five to ten minutes later departure would not have made any effect on next arrival.

Clearly the Captain erred!!

Pay the Piper RCCI!

[ 06-02-2008: Message edited by: annnthony ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 06-02-2008 06:15 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The rule is to be onboard BEFORE the scheduled departure time but I have seen a ship delayed when a cruise line scheduled tour bus was late. QE2 held for us when our bus was delayed by an hour after a breakdown.
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Linerrich
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posted 06-02-2008 06:27 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only time I've seen ships depart early is when they KNOW everyone is already on board (this is easily done nowadays because your boarding card is scanned.) The original story states that the ship left a bit early, but that may not be true.

Here is a case where having trip insurance MAY have helped them recoup expenses, but I'm not sure if it covers missing the ship other than at the original embarkation port.

Another lesson to be learned--always carry the ship's program or port map with you in ports of call--there is usually contact information for the ship's agents, along with phone numbers, etc. specifically in case of emergencies.

Rich


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eroller
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posted 06-02-2008 06:34 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by annnthony:
Sorry, but, bottom line, the ship should not have left three minutes early.....just common courtesy for however delayed passengers!!

Five to ten minutes later departure would not have made any effect on next arrival.

Clearly the Captain erred!!

Pay the Piper RCCI!



You are very quick to take the side of the passengers and place blame on the Captain. So far you have only heard one side of the story. Three minutes is a very short period of time. Who is to say the passengers watch was three minutes early, or at the very least not synchronized exactly with ship's time? On every cruise I have sailed, passengers are advised to be onboard 30 minutes prior to sailing. Even if the passengers watch did say three minutes until sailing time, that is cutting it way too close.

Most airlines will deny boarding five minutes or more before departure time. This is to run final paperwork and close out the flight. Why should a cruise ship be any different?

When you start making delays for every late passenger, then you start a precedent. You have to draw the line and at some points passengers have to take responsibility for their own actions. That is the problem today, everyone wants to blame someone else for their own screwups!

Ernie


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posted 06-02-2008 07:05 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This all reminds me of I love Lucy when she misses her departure on the Consitution.
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Grant
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posted 06-02-2008 07:06 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If a vessel is to sail at a given time, it does take at least 15 minutes or so to prepare for that timely departure. Lines to be realeased, sea doors closed and sealed, and predepartures checks completed. That is why onboard time is usually at least 30 minutes prior to departure. Had the passengers arrived at the pier 3 minutes late from the posted all aboard time, perhaps they have a case; however 3 minutes late from the actual departue time is really 33 minutes late by my book! The only error in judgement I see, is with the tardy passengers.
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KansasK
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posted 06-02-2008 09:39 PM      Profile for KansasK   Email KansasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Pam's idea of having the number of the ship or the dock is a good one and I have never thought of this. I wonder how one gets these numbers. I generally go on ship's excursions, so I doubt I would use them, but I can see how they might be useful if you are off on your own and are unlucky that day. I am not predisposed to believe that busses or planes will wait for me, or movies won't start if I am late, so I know I had best be back before the scheduled time.

We were told before we docked at St. Marten that we could easily take a taxi to the French side, but the ride back in traffic takes several hours. They suggested people use the water taxi, instead. Unexpected traffic returning to the ship is a real issue on many islands.

I think Ernie is right in that we do not know if the ship's clock was the same as the late cruiser's. I know that my watch and my car clock are not the same time as the Kronos clock I time in on at work. We are not all synchonized, so the late ones might not have been.

With the ship moving and the pilot boat moving, stepping onto the ship would be a challenge. Those elderly people boarding the QE2 from the pilot boat are quite brave doing it!


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posted 06-02-2008 10:10 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Grant:
[...]Had the passengers arrived at the pier 3 minutes late from the posted all aboard time, perhaps they have a case; however 3 minutes late from the actual departue time is really 33 minutes late by my book! The only error in judgement I see, is with the tardy passengers.

Exactly.


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dougnewman
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posted 06-02-2008 11:32 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I will just chime in and agree with all those who have pointed out that if the passengers only got to the ship three minutes before scheduled departure time, they were already considerably late.

It is an unfortunate situation, but it is not the cruise line's fault that the cab got a flat tire!

I can think of several times I've boarded ships a number of times after the ship was supposed to leave, but those are cases where I have arrived on time on embarkation day and the check-in process has gotten bogged down one way or another... Most recently in January on QE2 when the check-in computers died moments after we arrived at the terminal.


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quote:
Originally posted by KansasK:
I think Pam's idea of having the number of the ship or the dock is a good one and I have never thought of this. I wonder how one gets these numbers.
The ship's agent's contact details are, IME, always on the daily schedule for the day, and usually also on the port map handout that most ships give out - as linerrich says. They're there for a reason!

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posted 06-03-2008 02:53 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sure this site is visited by many new cruisers. As noted the vast majority of information given here should be heeded by new cruisers by those who have multiple cruises behind them. Yes ,in some cases troubles occur but usually self inflicted by ignorance or not paying attention to the info plainly stated by the cruise ship.
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