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mike sa
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posted 07-15-2008 09:26 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see they have appointed a new CEO, one wiht no cruise or maritime experience.

The basic problems for EC I don't see being resolved, namely:

Inability top build new tonnage as it is too expensive.

Severe lack of older tonnage available at a price they can afford.

Cruising is whatever we all know still perceived as being a "luxury" experience thus they have to spend more on marketing to get the message across.

They are more exposed to increases in costs than the big players.

Lack of infrastructure and ability to generate on board sales.

Basically I think we see Easy Cruise in its final format as stands. A single youth hostel at sea.


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r.fiebig
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posted 07-15-2008 09:44 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike,

as for a lack of tonnage, I don't agree with that. At least two of the current "easyCruise Life's" sister ships are currently in layup (one even in Greece) and are waiting for buyers.


Best,

Raoul


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ahrpd
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posted 07-15-2008 02:11 PM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
Mike,

as for a lack of tonnage, I don't agree with that. At least two of the current "easyCruise Life's" sister ships are currently in layup (one even in Greece) and are waiting for buyers.


Best,

Raoul


Make that three!!

GEORG OTS, UGO FOSCOLO and OCEAN JEWEL are all currently unemployed!

Tony


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-15-2008 03:31 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't really understand how Easycruise makes money - maybe it doesn't make much?

I know the on board services are minimal, but so are the fares. As Mile said, the onboard revenue generation was not particularly well developed on the first ship, but I believe they have improved it. Never the less, youth hostels much be cheaper to run than ships?


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 07-15-2008 07:42 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I don't really understand how Easycruise makes money - maybe it doesn't make much?

Maybe there are tax benefits for running it at a loss

As an example, here in the States I never could fiqure out how US Airways stayed in business. It seems like it was always in the red-even during the go-go 1990s yet it survives (sort of) and was bought by America West Airlines a few years ago. I guess it is all clever accounting tricks


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posted 07-15-2008 08:17 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
As an example, here in the States I never could fiqure out how US Airways stayed in business. It seems like it was always in the red-even during the go-go 1990s yet it survives (sort of) and was bought by America West Airlines a few years ago. I guess it is all clever accounting tricks
It also has the habit of filing Chapter 11 on a rather frequent basis.

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mike sa
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posted 07-16-2008 12:56 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The tonnage may be available but at a price they could afford given their business model ?
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 07-16-2008 12:05 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

There has been talk by Stelios of ' easyCruise ' selling their first ship, ' easyCruise One' , and then purchasing another cruise ship about the same size as ' easyCruise Life '.

No doubt a ship the size of ' easyCruise Life ', which carries 600 passengers, is more profitable to operate than ' easyCruise One ' which only carries 210 passengers.

Neil ( Bob )


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dougnewman
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posted 07-16-2008 04:35 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
EASYCRUISEONE is certainly for sale.
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Marina
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posted 07-22-2008 01:44 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was under the impression she had been sold and the buyer is Travel dynamics?
Locarno

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 07-22-2008 08:35 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

Travel Dynamics have a new ship listed as Clelia ll which is due to start cruising for them in 2009 after a re-fit.

Her tonnage is given as 4,077 grt Length 290 feet and beam 50 ft.
She is flying the Maltese flag and will carry only 100 guests.

The ship details are much the same as for easyCruiseOne !

Neil ( Bob )


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adriana & norway lover
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posted 07-26-2008 06:47 PM      Profile for adriana & norway lover     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the CLELIA II is the EASYCRUISE ONE sistership, built as RENAISSANCE FOUR.
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ahrpd
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posted 07-27-2008 02:42 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Travel Dynamics have also been operating another sistership - CORINTHIAN II (ex RENAISSANCE SEVEN) for some time now.

Tony


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r.fiebig
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posted 07-27-2008 02:13 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, "Clelia II" used to be the private yacht of Stelios' family for some time.


Best,

Raoul


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