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mike sa
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posted 12-26-2008 12:02 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Star has sold their share of NCL America to NCL.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-26-2008 07:30 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was hardly a 'cash cow' was it?
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mike sa
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posted 12-26-2008 08:43 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well it is now making money, given that Star's results are hardly stellar any contribution would be useful.

One has to seriously question whether Star will survive much longer at least in its current format.

An operation like Carnival might do quite well if they recruited the relevant crew and put in some decent tonnage. I know they have Costa there but I have never seen the logic in an Italian product cruising out of China for Chinese although they do now sell it to all, one would have thought a more US style might work better ? But then I am not from there and don't know but it is a HUGE untapped market that you would think would be getting some very serious focus especially as Star is not doing well at all.


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posted 12-26-2008 11:57 AM      Profile for NWLB   Author's Homepage   Email NWLB   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm curious if the profitability of NCL-A increases without Star taking a share. It would seem logical to assume that. Is NCL-A structured as a separate legal entity from NCL proper? IE, would any serious financial distress at either NCL operation have wider impact on the other?

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posted 12-26-2008 02:04 PM      Profile for Kevin Griffin, London   Author's Homepage   Email Kevin Griffin, London   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I know they have Costa there but I have never seen the logic in an Italian product cruising out of China for Chinese although they do now sell it to all, one would have thought a more US style might work better ?

You've never heard of Marco Polo, Mike? Pasta, noodles, it's all the same. Sort of like Ciao Chow.


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Pasta, noodles, it's all the same.


Lol..try telling that to 58 million Italian's and 6 billion Chinese people!


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Originally posted by mike sa:
know they have Costa there but I have never seen the logic in an Italian product cruising out of China for Chinese although they do now sell it to all, one would have thought a more US style might work better ?
At least initially, the product was changed very significantly to make it appeal to Chinese. This included a rather tacky refit to COSTA ALLEGRA that overlaid "neo-classical" elements to her avant-garde Italian decor, the result of which just looks odd.

Also, it seems the Chinese quite like the idea of "Italian." I have no idea if they like the reality of "Italian" but like Americans many of them apparently at least find the idea appealing.


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This included a rather tacky refit to COSTA ALLEGRA that overlaid "neo-classical" elements to her avant-garde Italian decor, the result of which just looks odd.


Sounds a little like what they did to Oriana (1). Many in China seem to like the idea of over-the-top classical architecture w/lots of gold paint (leaf not required) and poorly scaled Corinthian columns.


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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Sounds a little like what they did to Oriana (1).
Oh no, it's not remotely as bad as that. It is just a bit strange to see this veneer of "classical" decor overlaid on what was arguably the most modern cruise ship interior of the past several decades. (SOLSTICE is "traditional" in comparison.)

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