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Topic: Which Line Has Maintained It's Original Nationality

Dutch
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Member # 14009

posted 09-25-2009 07:49 PM

Of the US marketed cruise lines, which has best maintained elements of its original registry heritage (based upon crew, nat'l dishes, entertainment, art/decor or other small touches)

Holland America
Norwegian
RCI
Costa
Celebrity (Greek... lest you forget)
Carnival (Italian origins)
Princess

Which was "most Italian" in the 1970s - 90s - Sitmar, Costa or Home Lines?

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NAL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1102

posted 09-25-2009 08:56 PM

During the '70's, don't forget Italian Line [Italia] which was the most Italian arguably. After Italia closed down, Costa and Sitmar were the most Italian. Homes Lines had an all Italian crew, but was multi-national in ownership. My the 80's none had an all Italian crew exclusively.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 09-26-2009 12:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Dutch:
Of the US marketed cruise lines, which has best maintained elements of its original registry heritage (based upon crew, nat'l dishes, entertainment, art/decor or other small touches)
Holland America
Norwegian
RCI
Costa
Celebrity (Greek... lest you forget)
Carnival (Italian origins)
Princess
Which was "most Italian" in the 1970s - 90s - Sitmar, Costa or Home Lines?

Carnival has italian roots??

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r.fiebig
First Class Passenger
Member # 5240

posted 09-26-2009 04:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Carnival has italian roots??

I was wondering about that one, as well.

Best,

Raoul

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Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 09-26-2009 05:40 AM

Carnival has always had Italian deck and engine officers, that's all. This started when the Line began in the early '70s, as Italia was fading, and through the years many officers went to Carnival for work. But the Line does not have Italian roots; if anything they would be Jewish/Israeli roots, since that is where the Arisons came from.

Rich

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NAL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1102

posted 09-26-2009 08:11 AM

During its early years, Royal Cruise Line was mono national. I remember only Greeks on board, but there may have been others in the "below deck" crew.

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Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 09-26-2009 08:48 AM

To answer the leading question on this thread, I would suggest that Holland America has best retained its origins (from the list of lines given.) They have maintained mostly Dutch officers, still have many Indonesian crew members, consistently rename their ships in traditional HAL names, and have tried to keep a lot of the on-board traditions alive (crew shows, Dutch and Indonesian specialty dishes, etc.)

Rich

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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Member # 953

posted 09-26-2009 10:57 AM

I would give the nod to HAL even if it is 'watered down'.

As for the "most Italian", I would probably give that to Costa as they maintained a great dela of their Italian heritage with copious Italian crew and great Italian design into the mid-90's.

Sitmar was always a mix of Italian and Portugese/South American and Home Lines withered away in the mid- to late-80's.

Tim

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haco
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Member # 11810

posted 09-26-2009 04:21 PM

All HAL ships fly the Dutch flag and are registered in Rotterdam.
Haco

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 09-26-2009 04:43 PM

I would say 3 lines, Holland America line, HAPAG Lloyd and Deilman Cruises.

HAPAG and Deilman are real German cruise company's are not only based in Germany but Germany is there prime market.

Greetings Ben

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 09-26-2009 09:03 PM

If you want ships that really have national character, look at the Japanese ships. ASUKA II (NYK), FUJI MARU and NIPPON MARU (MOL) and PACIFIC VENUS (SHK) are all genuinely Japanese ... owned, built, flagged and crewed in Japan and with almost exclusively Japanese passengers.

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bmajor
First Class Passenger
Member # 1754

posted 09-27-2009 11:32 PM

Is MSC marketed in the States?
I know they do Caribbean cruises, but not sure if the ships would appeal to the American market.
Their cruises are marketed quite heavily down here, but mainly the Med cruises..

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jetwet1
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posted 09-28-2009 03:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bmajor:
Is MSC marketed in the States?

Yes but not really, no TV etc, mostly it's done through travel agents and internet travels sites.

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nathan
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Member # 720

posted 09-28-2009 10:47 AM

What about Cunard? They certainly market themselves as very Brittish.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 09-28-2009 12:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nathan:
What about Cunard? They certainly market themselves as very Brittish.

Cunard was 'Mid'Atlantic' long before they were US owned. They were certainly more 'British' the 1st time I sailed on QE2 as a child back in 1970 than in later years.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 09-28-2009 12:34 PM

And P&O? Quite British to.

Greetings Ben.

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oslo dutch
First Class Passenger
Member # 4669

posted 09-28-2009 04:16 PM

Personally as a Dutchman myself I do not find HAL very dutch. It has little hints but for the rest it's more a artificial Vegas version of the Netherlands. Shame really as they could have been far more progressive instead of the stale old boring Carnival Corp mold they have been in for years.
However being a "Nederlander in den vreemde" I love the maatjes herring they serve on one night :-)

One line which might be not a real cruise but that has stayed close to it heritage is Hurtigruten here in Norway.

quote:
Originally posted by haco:
All HAL ships fly the Dutch flag and are registered in Rotterdam.
Haco

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