Carnival-
Destiny
Triumph
Victory
Conquest
Glory
Valor
Liberty
Freedom
Splendor
Dream
Magic
Newbuild (2012)

Costa-
Magica
Fortuna
Concordia
Serena
Pacifica
Newbuild (2011)
Newbuild (2012)

8 or 9 Voyager/Freedom Class are exciting?

5 Solstice?

6 Vision?

10 NCL Dawns?

sorry i have to criticize some forum members...

you do not seem to understand the significance of this order

to compare this ship to carnival destiny is a bit outrageous

sometimes i think you just hope
that Carnival will go down... with all the
consequences to cruise industry at large

it's nevertheless the first new order been made after the worst financial crisis since the WO II

this might signal the start of a new grow to this industry, and without we would still cruise on dated
ships

best regards
Joe

[ 12-02-2009: Message edited by: buddhaJoe ]

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Originally posted by sunviking82:
And let's be fair here. . .

8 or 9 Voyager/Freedom Class are exciting?

5 Solstice?

6 Vision?

10 NCL Dawns?

Let's face it they all do it, they are just smaller and have fewer brands.

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Correct, all the major cruise companies do build multiple ships of the same design. The difference between RCCL and Carnival Corp. is that RCCL doesn't use the same ship design across multiple brands. Carnival does this quite frequently. Who knows, someday we may see a Solstice Class sailing for Royal Caribbean, but for now that is not the plan and these brands receive unique designs.

I have no problem with a single brand operating multiple ships of the same design.

Although with the profits they are raking in you would think they could at least come up with something different other than a Destiny-Conquest-Dream Class offshoot. I guess it is no different than the Sovereign-Voyager-Freedom progression. Both seem to be basic evolutions of the initial class, and both steroid-pumped lineages at some point get boring.

I guess the question is would RCCL (6 brands) ever really build newbuilds for anything other than their 2 major brands, RCI and Celebrity? The others, Pullmantur, Azamara, CDF Croisières de France, and TUI Cruises have been built around or survived off of hand-me-downs.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I'm confused is 'Dream' a new class or a 'Destiny' in disguise?

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Carnival likes to refer to the DREAM as a new class, just like they did with CONQUEST and her sisters. But just look at the deck plans, comparing DESTINY with DREAM, and you can see that she's really an evolution of the original ship, and not even that drastic of a change. The basic lay-outs of each deck remain the same, and while the newer ships have a few extra lounges, cabins and amenities, nothing really different enough to claim that it's a new class, meaning a new "design."

But having said that, there's no doubting the success of this strategy and cost-effectiveness for Carnival Corp. They made over $1 Billion in profits during the 3rd fiscal quarter, and this was during a Recession! They're laughing, or crying, all the way to the bank.

I think a much better (middle way) approach is what RCCL did with the M-class/Radiance-class ships. Both hulls share many design similarities, particularly machinery and layout. However, the superstructures, layouts, cabins, and amenities are totally different. No one would ever confuse the Celebrity Summit and Jewel of the Seas.

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Originally posted by dmwnc1:
I guess it is no different than the Sovereign-Voyager-Freedom progression. Both seem to be basic evolutions of the initial class, and both steroid-pumped lineages at some point get boring.

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Originally posted by dmwnc1:
I guess the question is would RCCL (6 brands) ever really build newbuilds for anything other than their 2 major brands, RCI and Celebrity? The others, Pullmantur, Azamara, CDF Croisières de France, and TUI Cruises have been built around or survived off of hand-me-downs.

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Pullmantur planned newbuilds before being bought by RCCL but I can't imagine that happening soon.

not that it really matters, but count me as another ugh on the latest carnival order of another conquest/dream class.

i was really hoping for some additional spirit class ships for the carnival brand, they are a large ship with a small ship feel.

two things come to my mind as i read about this order

1 carnival seems comitted to the conquest/dream
platform for the forseeable future, as they can easily squeeze out a fourth fleetmate for the carnival brand (yea thats how i look at the conquest /dream as something squeezed out) then they can build at least a pair (or more) for the costa brand .
if carnival plays it right they can milk this design beast for another ten years before they even have to think about something new shipwise.

2 we are already starting to see these beasts replace the fantasy class ships on the shorter 3 4 5 day cruises, ( ie destiny replaced fascination in miami) carnival only seems to use ships about 20 years before retiring/selling which makes the fantasy at the 20 year mark right now.
which will really limit my carnival brand choices for the future, as i will not sail conquest class ships

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Originally posted by eroller:

Correct, all the major cruise companies do build multiple ships of the same design. The difference between RCCL and Carnival Corp. is that RCCL doesn't use the same ship design across multiple brands. Carnival does this quite frequently. Who knows, someday we may see a Solstice Class sailing for Royal Caribbean, but for now that is not the plan and these brands receive unique designs.

I have no problem with a single brand operating multiple ships of the same design.

Ernie

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Originally posted by buddhaJoe:
hi there,

sorry i have to criticize some forum members...

you do not seem to understand the significance of this order...

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I think pretty much everyone here reconizes the significance of this order but that doen't mean we have to be happy with its design.

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Originally posted by buddhaJoe:
....to compare this ship to carnival destiny is a bit outrageous

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Originally posted by buddhaJoe:

...it's nevertheless the first new order been made after the worst financial crisis since the WO II

this might signal the start of a new grow to this industry, and without we would still cruise on dated
ships

best regards
Joe

[ 12-02-2009: Message edited by: buddhaJoe ]

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Indeed it does seems like a good sign for the industry that Carnival has placed this order. But like I said before its nothing new from Carnival, its just another clone based off a design that is almost 20 years old now.

don't get me wrong i really hope they do keep the fantasy class around for a while, i was just baseing my opnion on carnivals past actions. jubilee built 1986, left about 2004/5 celebration built 1985, left 2007/8
and now the holiday built 1984, if i am not mistaken even the tropicale left the carnival fleet about the 20 year mark.

don't forget my friend the fantasy class are not the greyhounds of the fleet either, and with the jones passenger act they are limited to where they can get. so i think the most you will see of a fantasy class north charleston sc, is maybe either a seasonal run out of either philly, or new york, to Bermuda (which btw i would book price permitting)