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Cruise mate
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posted 04-08-2010 07:52 AM      Profile for Cruise mate     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I recently received this email from my favoured US based cruise agent.
Quote-" If you are a citizen of US or Canada, we can sell to you any cruise offer. Unfortunately, Celebrity,Costa,HAL,MSC, Oceania,Princess,RCL and Star Clippers now prohibit all US travel agencies from selling cruises to citizens of countries other than the US and Canada, unless they have a residence in the US or Canada."
As an Australian citizen, I have made use of the internet over the past 10 years to find and compare the best fares available, and these are usually obtained through US agents.
These new rules will severly restrict our future cruise options.
I am angry.

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Kevin Griffin, London
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posted 04-08-2010 09:27 AM      Profile for Kevin Griffin, London   Author's Homepage   Email Kevin Griffin, London   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Vacations to Go's web site says:

We are able to offer the deeply discounted U.S. rates of most of the cruise lines we represent to citizens of other countries. However, the following cruise lines now prohibit all U.S. travel agencies (including Vacations To Go) from selling cruises to citizens of countries other than the U.S. and Canada, unless they have a residence in the U.S. or Canada. This is not a Vacations To Go policy or a U.S. government policy, it is a corporate policy instituted by each of these cruise lines.

Celebrity
Costa Cruises
Cunard
Holland America
MSC Cruises
Oceania Cruises
Princess*
Royal Caribbean
Star Clippers


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Kevin Griffin, London
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posted 04-08-2010 09:30 AM      Profile for Kevin Griffin, London   Author's Homepage   Email Kevin Griffin, London   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And for good measure:

*Residents of Mexico are permitted to book Princess through Vacations To Go

Note: Residents of the U.K. may not book P&O Cruises through Vacations To Go.


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Johan
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posted 04-08-2010 10:31 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why ???
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mike sa
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posted 04-08-2010 10:35 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because generally the fares in the US are lower than elsewhere, thus they want to increase revenues.

Interestingly Carnival is not on the list.


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PamM
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posted 04-08-2010 11:01 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These are not 'new' rules for some of the lines and have been around for years in the case of Cunard & Princess. Regarding Princess, back in 2004 they even refused to let me book a 'Cruise Only' to Alaska. I was already in the US for another reason, but they were insistent as a UK resident I would also have to pay for the flight. I did not take them up on that kind offer [They do not insist on this now, but it left a very sour note, as it was the 2nd time of trying].

Pam


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Teva
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posted 04-08-2010 05:25 PM      Profile for Teva   Email Teva   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's just wonderful,fabulous,benefits everyone and is
fair across the board on all levels....Applause,applause!.

What an effing joke!...

If this is the case for commercial & retail US based agents
then I suppose it'll be the same for interline,travel industry
agents too like Dargal...

Carry On!

Teva


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Cruise mate
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posted 04-08-2010 06:41 PM      Profile for Cruise mate     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The thing I find most disturbing about all this is that this is the first time major competitors [Carnival Corp + RCI etc.] have clearly got together in order to regulate what could be a free market.
Princess has been on again, off again with this kind of thing for years, but only this year they are all getting together.
This type of collusion results in jail terms in most countries. So much for the free trade agreement between Australia and the US.
NCR here we come.

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eroller
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posted 04-08-2010 07:18 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is probably not the best suggestion, but one way around this is if you have a trustworthy friend in the US. Have them book it and pay on their credit card, and you wire the money to them. You can fill out all your documentation information online, and almost all tickets these days are e-tickets so nothing has to be mailed. Again not a perfect solution, but something that would work if you have an American friend.

I also wonder if it works the same way if the tables are turned. If I called a UK or Australian travel agent, would they book me on Fred Olsen or P&O Australia?

Ernie


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Linerrich
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posted 04-08-2010 07:29 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
This is probably not the best suggestion, but one way around this is if you have a trustworthy friend in the US. Have them book it and pay on their credit card, and you wire the money to them. You can fill out all your documentation information online, and almost all tickets these days are e-tickets so nothing has to be mailed. Again not a perfect solution, but something that would work if you have an American friend.

I also wonder if it works the same way if the tables are turned. If I called a UK or Australian travel agent, would they book me on Fred Olsen or P&O Australia?

Ernie


For years this is how I booked some of my UK clients on Cunard and Princess; however that process has been thwarted either because of a past guest # bringing up the true residency, or when the guest registers on-line for the cruise with their address.

And indeed this policy works in reverse against Americans as well, making it nearly impossible for us to book P.& O., Fred.Olsen, etc.

Rich


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eroller
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posted 04-08-2010 07:45 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

For years this is how I booked some of my UK clients on Cunard and Princess; however that process has been thwarted either because of a past guest # bringing up the true residency, or when the guest registers on-line for the cruise with their address.



Well there is a way around everything. They would need to enter the same US address that was used to make the booking, but could still indicate they are an Australian or UK citizen holding a passport from those countries.

Regarding the past passenger number, that would have be left off the booking. Once onboard they could speak to the host to have it added for the cruise and take advantage of the benefits.

I'm not sure if the price is so much lower in the US it would make all this worth it, but if it is then it's certainly worth the effort.

Ernie


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 04-08-2010 08:05 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cruise mate:
The thing I find most disturbing about all this is that this is the first time major competitors [Carnival Corp + RCI etc.] have clearly got together in order to regulate what could be a free market.
Princess has been on again, off again with this kind of thing for years, but only this year they are all getting together.
This type of collusion results in jail terms in most countries. So much for the free trade agreement between Australia and the US.
NCR here we come.

This is total bunk. Carnival and RCCL have not gotten together to regulate a market.

This is a simple matter ruled by a few factors.

1 - cruise lines have invested a tremendous amount of money to set up sales and marketing organizations and agreements in various countries and it does not make sense to drive that business back overseas.

2 - Australia, Germany and the UK have vastly different laws, regulations and consumer protection agreements in place than the U.S. and Canada.

In the UK for instance, companies need to have bonds in place and consumers are required to purchase insurance.

In Germany, consumers have the right to cancel and recieve a full refund from the cruise line much closer to or right up to sailing time. Not sure of the exact specifics, but it is very close.

I know of one U.S. agent who sold a cruise to a German resident who cancelled a few days prior to sailing. That person expected and was due a full refund which the AGENT had to fund as they were not aware of the laws governing the sale of travel.

That is just one instance that I know of.

I'm not an expert of the laws, but those 'barriers' if you will, are in place for good reason.

Tim


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-08-2010 08:52 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:

In Germany, consumers have the right to cancel and recieve a full refund from the cruise line much closer to or right up to sailing time. Not sure of the exact specifics, but it is very close.

I know of one U.S. agent who sold a cruise to a German resident who cancelled a few days prior to sailing. That person expected and was due a full refund which the AGENT had to fund as they were not aware of the laws governing the sale of travel.


Tim



These higher cruise fares are like a 'full fare' airline tickets which are also fully refundable. Restrictive (discounted) tickets are also not refundable.


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Sutho
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posted 04-10-2010 03:23 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If for argument sake a foreign citizen were on an extended vacation in the US and decided on the spur of the moment to book a cruise, would they get the US fares?
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Ernst
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posted 04-10-2010 07:05 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
If for argument sake a foreign citizen were on an extended vacation in the US and decided on the spur of the moment to book a cruise, would they get the US fares?

No. As a tourist one is not resident in the U.S..


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Linerrich
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posted 04-10-2010 09:21 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
If for argument sake a foreign citizen were on an extended vacation in the US and decided on the spur of the moment to book a cruise, would they get the US fares?

I've just put that question to Princess, to get their official response: a non-US resident would not be allowed to book in the US; rates quoted must be in the currency and pricing structure of their home country. I, as an agent, must refer the clients to Princess directly and their International Department would handle the booking.

Now that's the official policy; how one goes about getting around it is another story.

Rich


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posted 04-10-2010 10:48 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The reverse system is in apparent order.

I, being appropriately superannuated, am booking my second cruise with Saga this August. (Saga Pearl II to Norway.) through an Authorized "Saga Cruise Manager," at a US Travel Agent, dba "Cruise & Tour Reservations" in the US.

They book US pax; accept Fares in US$; offer a US-based insurance package in US$; book US/UK airline tx; an, in short serve as Saga's authorized Representative for Saga Cruises. You will be met at Heathrow by a Saga Car and brought to the Port of debarkation. They are located in the Boston Suburbs, is (1-800-343 0273).

This is not a plug, just information for my fellow cruisers here. Is there no similar outfit on the other side?

[ 04-13-2010: Message edited by: Cambodge ]


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posted 04-10-2010 01:05 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
2 - Australia, Germany and the UK have vastly different laws, regulations and consumer protection agreements in place than the U.S. and Canada.
This is true, but it is no reason for the cruise lines to do what they have done.

It's a perfectly good reason to maintain a separate set of rules, conditions and prices for residents of those countries booking in those countries. Those bookings are governed by laws in those countries.

However, if a resident of one of those countries chooses to go overseas and book in the US market, and to be subject to the consumer laws of the US market, then those are the laws that will apply. It's the same as if I buy a book from Amazon's US site and have them send it to me; I cannot claim the benefit of UK consumer laws.


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posted 04-10-2010 09:57 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well this is news to me.

If a person was on holidays in the US one would assume they could book flights, book train tickets, book hotels and go to amusements parks, holiday resorts as they wish. It appears cruise lines are a different story.

From what I am aware Australians in the UK on a two year working visa can book UK holidays at UK rates as they are residing there.

It just means that before you leave home you must have all your things booked.


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Cruise mate
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posted 04-10-2010 11:06 PM      Profile for Cruise mate     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are we being discriminated against equally?
Comparing todays RCI newspaper advertised fares in Australia [converted to US$ for convenience ] with US vacations to Go WWW fares.
Caribbean Freedom of Seas May9 US price Inside $662/ AU $1116
Balcony US$1199 /AU$1480
Legend Asia Oct.7 Inside US$1529/AU$2138
Balcony US$2899/AU$3492
Rhapsody South Pacific Nov.8 Inside US$1186/AU41632
BalconyUS$2589 /AU$ 3260

I expect Princess price differentials to be greater.


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posted 04-11-2010 06:09 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:

From what I am aware Australians in the UK on a two year working visa can book UK holidays at UK rates as they are residing there.

Someone in the US on a work visa would be allowed to book locally with Princess and the other lines, since they can prove legal residency, even though it's temporary.

Your original query was for someone on vacation in the States, and apparently that makes all the difference to the cruise lines.

Rich


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I recently cruised on Celeb's "Infinity," Fortress Lauderdale to San Francisco. There was a significant Japanese contingent aboard. I assume they were able to purchase at US rates.
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