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r.fiebig
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posted 07-20-2010 04:22 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello everybody,

MSC Crociere has been testing a new way to generate onboard revenue: On "MSC Lirica" cruises out of Genoa, the vessel calls at Portofino where it stays at anchor. Those passengers who would like to tender ashore will be charged EUR 13,- for the tender ride.

It appears that at this time this is the only tender port where a tender fee is being imposed, but is this just the beginning?


Best,

Raoul


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 07-20-2010 05:33 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would seem this is another way of ripping off the passengers.

The next we will hear is that they will be anchoring off all the ports and tendering passengers ashore to raise more revenue.

One answer to this is to boycott cruises where there is any anchorage ports.


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oslo dutch
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posted 07-20-2010 07:06 AM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's getting really tacky. I don't know if this is true but this is another example that the cruising industry is following the Ryanair business model. .
Isn't it the responsibility of the cruiseline to get you properly ashore?

All this extra charges are really turning me off the cruising industry. To me it feels the accountants are really taking the piss out of their customers by all these extra charges at rediculious rates.
With NCL I already have the feeling you can't eat properly without having to pay extra.

What's next? Check in charge, transport luggage charge, room key charge, credit card charge, cleaning charge, no food included anymore.... ( Cruise execs.. do not read this :-))
I have a feeling the sooner or later shows will be charged soon.

I don't mind paying a higher cruise fare in general instead of being charged and having the feeling of being ripped off all the time.


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posted 07-20-2010 07:58 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it April 1st?

I wonder how much they will charge to use a life boat? I wonder if there is an extra charge for 'priority boarding'?


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r.fiebig
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posted 07-20-2010 08:00 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oslo dutch,

it is true. Portofino isn't part of the original itinerary published by MSC but is being called at on embarkation day (when embarking at Genoa) a couple of hours after the departure from Genoa.


Best,

Raoul


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Johan
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posted 07-20-2010 09:10 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Portofino is an expensive harbour.
Maybe it is some kind of tourist tax imposed on the passengers, not part of an excursion ?
J

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r.fiebig
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posted 07-20-2010 09:47 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Is it April 1st?

Unfortunately, it isn't. They're serious about this.


Best,

Raoul


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oslo dutch
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posted 07-20-2010 10:20 AM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the reviews I've read MSC is very strict with charges and is very stingy with for example free coffee etc. (The coffee machines are turned off immediately after breakfast.
So these odd charges don't surprise me.

MSC and Costa do get a lot of European first timers. Once they get the taste of it they tend move on to other cruise lines.
First timers might take these charges for granted....

I wonder if Mr O'Leary has become one of their advisors...


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Linerrich
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posted 07-20-2010 10:31 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oslo dutch:

First timers might take these charges for granted....


I worked on a number of ships with several cruise lines for years, and we used to laugh at passengers who thought there was a charge to get their tender tickets in the lounge. Little did I realize that some day, someone would really charge for them. But then, it was always unimagineable that there would be charges for room service, afternoon teas, certain shows, etc.

Rich


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r.fiebig
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posted 07-20-2010 10:37 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oslo dutch,

IMHO MSC's charges for drinks are fairly reasonable - unless you would like to drink beer that is.

A large cup of freshly brewed coffee is EUR 1.30, a 1.5 liter bottle of water EUR 1.80 etc.

MSC suffers from the total absense of direction of its dining room staff in particular. Based on three cruises during the last 14 months, I have found the dining room service to be the worst of any of the more than 70 ships I have sailed on (this includes two-star budget operators - I won't include ferries, though). The maitre d's are not interested in ensuring proper service and many waiters aren't, either. I have encountered massive rudeness and arguments ("Of course you ordered this!" etc.).

Charging for the tender service really is the straw that breaks the camel's back, IMHO.


Best,

Raoul


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Ernst
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posted 07-20-2010 11:19 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not surprising that mainstream cruise lines start to charge extra fees for services that used to be included in the cruise fare. Done in a reasonable manner it's probably acceptable for a (cheap) mainstream cruise ship. However, they should be very, very careful with that since a major selling point for cruise vacations used to be the 'all inclusive' (or 'most inclusive') aspect. In that context it's a very, very, very stupid move at best to ask passengers for money to simply bring them ashore. Of course it's still better than to offer free trips ashore and charge for returning to the ship....
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posted 07-20-2010 12:02 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see many people just staying onboard. The port will not like this because tourism and shopping will be hit hard. The airlines have ticked off a lot of folks with their stupid charges. And their fares have risen as well. Consider the baggage fees.They got you there!!!
If this starts a trend you will find the cruise industry will be in trouble.IMHO.
Frosty 4

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nycruiser
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posted 07-20-2010 04:36 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shame on them! I am tired of companies raping consumers. I realize companies are out to make money but really this is plain stupid maybe they should cut the top brass salaries just a little and they will make up the differance. These people running companies get paid a tad to much in my opinion.
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Cam J
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posted 07-20-2010 05:17 PM      Profile for Cam J   Email Cam J   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't worry too much guys. I mean this is only one port of call MSC has no intention of expanding this "concept" and other lines are not stupid enough to try this so I'm not worried. I'm just wondering how the folks at MSC can justify charging for something that should be free.

Cam J


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r.fiebig
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posted 07-20-2010 05:59 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I mean this is only one port of call MSC has no intention of expanding this "concept"

If you are so sure about that, why did MSC start that "concept" in the first place if they have no intention whatsoever to expand it?


Best,

Raoul


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Cam J
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posted 07-20-2010 07:36 PM      Profile for Cam J   Email Cam J   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:

If you are so sure about that, why did MSC start that "concept" in the first place if they have no intention whatsoever to expand it?


Best,

Raoul


I'm not 100 percent sure but I think that once they see the reprecussions this "concept"has had on their Brand image they may change their minds. Just a hunch....


Cam J


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mike sa
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posted 07-21-2010 12:52 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frankly for me this would put me off booking a cruise with MSC full stop - it is indicitive of their overall style of service so I would dismiss any suggestion to cruise with them.
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posted 07-21-2010 01:17 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a passenger I would see a charge like that as cheap and desperate and avoid the ship and line at all costs.

I am still young and under 30 and even I remember the days when a cruise was all inclusive.

If any of the ships I cruise on started intriducing fares for things like tenders, entertainment, or anything that always had been included I would not cruise with them anymore and look for another line.

From my recent cruise on Azura - that is a ship I won't return to. Crowding was one factor, but the other was The Retreat. The cost was exhorbitant and took away a pool that was always free to use. So in the future any P&O cruise I do Azura will not be on the list, and any Princess cruise I do, any ship with The Sanctuary will not be on the list.

The other is specialty restaurants. I dont mind one on a ship, but three or more is becoming a joke and taking away more passenger space.


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Tom Burke
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posted 07-21-2010 07:08 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This may be less alarming than it looks. As commented above, Portofino isn't actually listed as a destination in the itinerary. Departures are from Genoa at 4pm, and the full itinerary is: Genoa; Ajaccio; Civitavecchia; Salerno; La Goulette; Palma; Toulon; Genoa.

There's a note on their website that say this:-

"After the departure, the ship will perform a call in Portofino bay. Passengers in transit or who embarked in Genoa may purchase the roundtrip transfer to the shore onboard."

So it's not a normal port of call; I don't even know how long the ship will stay. Perhaps the charge may be to deliberately dissuade passengers from going ashore and causing delays?

[ 07-21-2010: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]


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Linerrich
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posted 07-21-2010 08:33 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:

So it's not a normal port of call; I don't even know how long the ship will stay. Perhaps the charge may be to deliberately dissuade passengers from going ashore and causing delays?
[ 07-21-2010: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]

I think that's exactly what is going on here; no way can Portofino accommodate all those people from the ship. It's being treated as an optional shore excursion, which will limit demand. Kind of like those cruises on big ships down to Antarctica, when only a portion of the passengers can actually go ashore.

Rich


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Ernst
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posted 07-21-2010 08:42 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

I think that's exactly what is going on here;

This is entirely possible and sounds very plausible. Nevertheless, it's a precedent.

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
[....]
no way can Portofino accommodate all those people from the ship. [...]
Rich

This is the problem with these large cruise ships: Cruise lines take them to ports where they simply don't belong.


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posted 07-21-2010 10:36 AM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I worked on Royal Princess in 1989 we always called at Portofino during the Med Cruises. We had around 1000 so less than Lirica. But I feel Portofino should be able to take this amount of people. Considering it's embarkation day, a lot of people might choose to stay on board anyway.

I feel this might be a hidden test case for future charging of tender rides. These reptile accountants are willing to try everything to get more money in.
I agree with Sutho that this on board revenue business model is getting irritating and far too commercial.
It's the same as in the airline industry now charging all these extra's a ridiculous rates.

Reint


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posted 07-21-2010 02:27 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Portofino can't absorb all the passengers that would want to go ashore, then the ship shouldn't stop there.

Yes, it is not the same as charging for tendering on a "normal" port call but nevertheless this comes across as cheap and tacky and it is just off-putting.

quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
So in the future any P&O cruise I do Azura will not be on the list, and any Princess cruise I do, any ship with The Sanctuary will not be on the list.
It's being added to every Princess ship, so I guess you won't be sailing with Princess again any time soon.

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quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:

It's being added to every Princess ship, so I guess you won't be sailing with Princess again any time soon.



I thought the "swim against the current" pool could still be used without paying for The Sanctuary? Is this no longer the case?

I always think of the movie Logan's Run when I hear "the Sanctuary" mentioned. LOL

Ernie


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Linerrich
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quote:
Originally posted by eroller:

I always think of the movie Logan's Run when I hear "the Sanctuary" mentioned. LOL
Ernie

And being an old altar boy, it has a completely different meaning to me!

Rich


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