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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-03-2014 06:31 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CMV Cruises have announced on their website that they will have another cruise ship for 2015.

The ship will be named ' Magellan ' and is said to be the ex ' Grand Holiday ' which was sailing on the spanish market .

From the picture on the CMV website she looks like the ex P & O Cruises ship ' Pacific Sun ' which recently has been sailing as the Chinese operated cruise ship ' Henna ' .

Having just spoken to a friend at the company I can confirm that it is in the charter contract that her funnel wings are to be removed as happened to her sister ship !
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[ 11-03-2014: Message edited by: Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company. ]


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posted 11-03-2014 08:01 AM      Profile for Galaxy   Author's Homepage   Email Galaxy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thats some great news I hope to see her next summer.
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-04-2014 06:23 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lets hope this new charter does not affect the charter of the classic cruise ship ' Azores ' which has been reported as being for five years !
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posted 11-04-2014 08:24 AM      Profile for Galaxy   Author's Homepage   Email Galaxy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Azores stay in the fleet she is in the new brochure

Who is the company CMV charter MV Magellan from? Carnival Corp. or will she be transfeer to another company who agein charter her to CMV?

[ 11-04-2014: Message edited by: Galaxy ]


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posted 11-04-2014 09:00 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Neil,

The vessel will indeed be the current GRAND HOLIDAY (-ex-HOLIDAY) which would otherwise have been rolled into the Costa fleet upon the shutdown of Iberocruceros. CMV's PR have been a bit lazy and photoshopped a picture of the HENNA (ex-JUBILEE) instead.


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posted 11-04-2014 12:27 PM      Profile for P&OOfficer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I noticed the lazy photoshop and thought they'd just taken what was the Pacific Sun / Jubilee...

Its a shame, because without the wings, the ship looks unfinished.

Looking at a promo brochure for Ibero, CMV have photoshopped a picture of the Grand Celebration...

On that note, I find the livery a bit odd. I find it most odd that none of the liveries in the CMV have anything in common, and the logo on the funnel just looks a bit plonked.


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posted 11-04-2014 02:23 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why on earth could they not have photoshopped the correct ship - probably didn't even notice the differences! She will look very 'unfinished' minus the wings.

The above is a bit misleading as asides from the stern sponson, HOLIDAY's lifeboats are of the old open style apart from 2 fwd tenders. Unless they are going to renew them of course - in the same style as JUBILEE.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-05-2014 05:55 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As I stated earlier, before the charter starts the ex ' Grand Holiday ' is to have her funnel wings removed as happened to her sister ship !

Expect the brochure picture published was altered so they had a picture to publish of what the ship should look like after the funnel wings are removed.

She is at present at Genoa where this work may be carried out.
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posted 11-05-2014 06:12 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No-one said anything different Neil, merely that she will look odd and unfinished without the wings, leaving a disproportionately small funnel. A picture of the correct ship could have just as easily been used. These ships are, imho, milk cartons with too little deck space. Her interiors look good now though.

Pam


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posted 11-05-2014 10:55 AM      Profile for Galaxy   Author's Homepage   Email Galaxy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Grand Holiday have other sister ships than HENNA?
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posted 11-05-2014 12:49 PM      Profile for P&OOfficer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From what I understand, there were three ships in the class

Holiday (which is the ship in Question), launched in 1985 for Carnival, and the second ship to have a gull-wing funnel. As Neil has stated, this is the ship which is to be transferred to CMV. The fact around the funnel wing removal is undisputed.

This was followed up by a slightly modified and larger sister, Jubilee in 1986. This is now sailing as Henna after sailing for P&O Australia as Pacific Sun.

Lastly, Celebration was launched in 1987 and is an identical sister to Jubilee. This ship is in the transformation from Grand Celebration to Costa Celebration around about now.

The point I (and Pam) were making is that the photo shopped image is of the Grand Celebration and not of Grand Holiday. You can tell (as Pam says) by the lifeboats and the sponsons.

You can also tell by the arrangements of the aft decks and cabin windows.


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posted 11-07-2014 12:24 PM      Profile for P&OOfficer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not such a great launch for Magellan...

The deckplans online are wrong and I just tried to book three cabins on the overnighter from Tilbury to Newcastle... only to find that the amount it is asking for as a deposit is wrong. I called and was told that no one could book until Monday as the system is not working and you can't book online either...


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quote:
Originally posted by P&OOfficer:
Lastly, Celebration was launched in 1987 and is an identical sister to Jubilee. This ship is in the transformation from Grand Celebration to Costa Celebration around about now.

It now appears not. With 3 days to go before before COSTA CELEBRATION's first cruise [22 Nov] she has been

pulled. The passengers are not happy.

Pam


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posted 11-20-2014 09:29 AM      Profile for Galaxy   Author's Homepage   Email Galaxy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not good for Costa's reputation....

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posted 11-21-2014 03:31 PM      Profile for LaLa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She's even been painted in Costa colors. Wonder what the problem is.
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-23-2014 07:00 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe sold or leased to another company.

This not the first time that cruises have been cancelled !

Some of these companies could not care less about upsetting people booked with them who may only have certain times they can take a cruise.

It may be in the small print but customers need to remember these things and book their cruises with other companies !
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posted 11-25-2014 10:42 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Word is that "Costa Celebration" is to replace "Bahamas Celebration" with Celebration Cruise Line, operating from Florida to Freeport, Bahamas.


Best,

Raoul


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posted 11-25-2014 11:16 AM      Profile for Potadoughs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that's definitely an upgrade for them.
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Surely Costa Celebration is far too big for Celebration Cruises and has no freight capacity for their cargo business. Maybe they will give that side up, but she would still have a lot of cabins to fill.

My pure guess is that there was too much spare capacity over the Costa fleet as a whole, so they shoved everyone on to other ships and she will sit in Genoa for a while. 99.9% wrong

Pam


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posted 11-28-2014 12:53 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam,

this is an interesting interview with "Bahamas Celebration's" owners dated November 20th 2014.

For several days, the info tab of "Costa Celebration's" webcam (http://www.costacruise.com/usa/webcam.html) showed a proposed itinerary that had her departing Genoa November 24th, reaching Freeport, Bahamas, (!) approx. ten days later with a bunkering stop in Santa Cruz de Tenerife enroute. That itinerary was removed yesterday.

Maybe the deal has fallen through, but no doubt Celebration Cruise Line was at least about to acquire "Costa Celebration".


Best,

Raoul


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posted 11-28-2014 12:55 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reports (maybe rumors) are that the ex. Celebration was sold to the Chinese. Handover was scheduled for November 22nd.

I too doubt the rumor as a replacement for Bahamas Celebration because I would thin the ro-ro container business was important to them.

Reports are that the Bahamas Celebration is getting a large make over in Freeport now with containers full of stuff arriving from Europe and she is scheduled for a spring return to service. In the meantime Genting World is covering the itinerary.


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Interesting article Raoul. Seems like they are looking for some help from the Bahamas Government and that the container business was not that important.

Be interesting to see what happens.


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CMV took delivery of Magellan earlier this month.

It seems that despite the original renderings suggesting their removal - she will retain the gul-wings on the funnel.

The renderings (still of the wrong ship have been updated on their website)

Looking better than the original render:


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She's at Eleusis now for some work, not sure how long she will be there?

Pam


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Has CMV actually purchased the ship or is she just on charter? I have seen several conflicting reports on it. I would imagine that Carnival Corporation would want to get the old 80's tonnage off the books soon before it is completely devalued.
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