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Originally posted by Ernst:
It certainly would be nice if we had it still - but there are cheaper ways to stabilize the ship should this become necessary. I would rather see money going into restoring the original ship than a fake engine room.

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The reinstallation of the powertrain will comprised of the real working parts. When I mean about mockup, I was refering to the reinactment of the crew from the 1930s. The ship powertrain would certainly allow all of the untilities onboard the ship to function once again. It would allow the propeller shafts to turn and so forth. The ship could sail once again if needed. But the SOLAS laws won't allow that to happen.

The cost of the rebuilt powertrain would be included in the cost of restoring the Queen Mary, both inside and outside of the ship.

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Originally posted by Ernst:
I understand that you are talking about working parts (a cardboard mock-up would hardly 'stabilize' her) - it would still be a fake as it would not be the original parts. And as you said, it would cost a lot of money to make these parts.
Beside that, rebuilding Queen Mary to an operational ship is not only a conflict with nowadays regulations. A lot of her structure would have to be replaced. It would hardly be the original ship after such an extensive 'refit'. This would actually be the opposite of preserving her.

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Well Ernst,
Nothing is ever original these days. The restored Queen Mary would only serve as a Stationary Vessel instead of a floating building. In addition, the vessel won't be made to sail again as a commercial ship.

As you correctly stated that would be impractical and ineffective, and I am incline to agree with you on that one.

However, the refit would certainly extend its years significantly. It could even have a permanent dry dock display like the SS Great Britain so people could see the ship below the waterline and view the hull and the 4 propeller screws turning. The ship will never have go through sandblasting and hull repairs again.

The reinstalled powertrain could take advantage of all of the modern advancements of today and incorporate them into the ship in a way that no one would know about it since it would be well integrated. It would make the Queen Mary even more attractive.

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Originally posted by Redlinekid2:

Well Ernst,
Nothing is ever original these days.

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That's absolutely not true.

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Originally posted by Redlinekid2:
It could even have a permanent dry dock display like the SS Great Britain so people could see the ship below the waterline and view the hull and the 4 propeller screws turning. The ship will never have go through sandblasting and hull repairs again.

The reinstalled powertrain could take advantage of all of the modern advancements of today and incorporate them into the ship in a way that no one would know about it since it would be well integrated. It would make the Queen Mary even more attractive.

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It does not require a 160,000 HP to turn a propeller or shaft for demonstration purposes. A steam plant would be unpractical and unsuitable for that. Also, it would be against the idea to preserve her and then install a fake AND modernized power plant. (How far do you go with the modernization?)

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Originally posted by desirod7:
Lets hope that Imperial Majesty will buy the Gorki.
She could do well with Pullmantur too.

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(SOLAS-wise she is apparently OK to 2013, but her engines make her uneconomical to run today, and nobody's going to re-engine a ship that is going to require even more major work only a few years down the road.)

And she has a fairly small passenger capacity for her size, so unless you are going to somehow add lots of berths she is really only suitable for an upscale market.

I don't see any viable future for her in further service at all.

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Originally posted by Ernst:
It certainly would be nice if we had it still - but there are cheaper ways to stabilize the ship should this become necessary. I would rather see money going into restoring the original ship than a fake engine room.

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IMHO it is far more important to preserve what is left of the original ship, than to start recreating things that have been totally destroyed.