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Joe at PwC
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posted 12-08-1998 03:46 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those of you who don't know by now, the legendary SS United States is alive and reasonably well for her age, and is currently moored on the Delaware River in Philadelphia. There's a growing US nationwide movement to save her from the scrap heap, and it seems to be working. There are two parties currently interested in buying her with the intentions of, on the one hand, restoring her to service, and on the other, making her a national monument. Either resolution seems viable at this point. Everyone is welcome to learn the entire story by traveling to http://www.ss-united-states.com. Mike Alexander is the owner of this site, and he bids one and all to come aboard and see this great ship as she is, and think about what she could be. Pay particular attention to a wonderful account given by Philadelphia native Bill Tilley on the occasion of his recent visit to the Big U.
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posted 12-28-1998 04:29 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A development in the plight of the Big U:

I received email from Robert Westover, the Chairman of the SS United States Foundation based in Washington, DC. It's a nationwide grassroots organization devoted to helping save this American legend. He says that apparently the Big U has been officially recognized as a "National Treasure." What exactly that means, and what it means to the future of the ship was not expanded upon, but apparently the situation now has caught the eye of the Federal and State governments. This is a movement that is really cathing fire.


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posted 12-29-1998 11:00 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand that the fantastic 'Queen Mary' is hardly a runaway sucess as a business venture. (She is still well worth visiting)I hope the SS United States has an easier ride, but you can see why the sponsers are a little shy.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 12-29-1998 01:57 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the things I've read, it is unclear as to just exactly what the future holds in store for the Big U. There are two parties interested in buying her. One wants to convert her to a floating hotel/national monument/museum; the other wants to return her to service. For my part, I would jump at the opportunity to be able to sail on her, although, the excellence of her structural integrity notwithstanding, her age is something of an issue. I just hope that, in case they do convert her to a floating hotel, they don't virtually rape her innards as they did while converting the Queen Mary to a hotel. For more on that, see www.queenmary.org.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-02-1999 11:46 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would like to share a small excerpt with you all from a press release posted by the SS United States Foundation. This is noteworthy because it posts the first official recognition of the ship as a national treasure by the White House.


White House Recognizes SS United States as National Treasure

News Release

Washington DC--The White House Millennium Council has officially recognized the American flagship, SS United States as a national treasure. In a letter to Robert Hudson Westover, Chairman of the SS United States Foundation, Ellen McCulloch-Lovell, Director of the Millenium Council wrote, "As a colleague in the cause of historic preservation, I share your concern and the concern of your foundation to ensure the survival of this national treasure for future generations."

For nearly two decades from 1952 to 1970, the SS United States, or the "Big U" as her supporters often refer to the ship, was America's floating ambassador to the world. She carried four Presidents including Harry S. Truman and Dwight Eisenhower. Anyone who was anybody booked passage on this mighty ship--the fastest ship in the world. Walt Disney, Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, Salvador Dali and John Wayne were just a few of the hundreds of rich and famous who "crossed" the Atlantic on this great ship.

This is clearly heartening news. By the way, a few additional insights: apparently, the Big U could outrun any aircraft carrier, because her top speed is now believed to have been 48 knots. The only ship coming close is the USS Enterprise carrier, at 35 knots. Amazing what big engines and an aluminum hull can do.


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posted 02-07-1999 05:51 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lets hope the SS United States follows in the footsteps of the SS France! Come on NCL Carnival, or whoever, use some imagination and some of your profits!
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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-08-1999 01:57 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Among some of the things I've read regarding any of the big lines having an interest in her, the last one that did was in fact NCL. Originally their intention was to restore her to service, but for reasons unbeknownst to me, they were unable to make it happen. Probably a US Government/Navy roadblock (not surprising considering her still-classified status at the time). Anyway, when NCL realized that she couldn't be had, they pursued the France (Norway). I'm afraid that at this point, none of the big lines may have much of an interest in her, regardless of whether or not she has attained legendary status. That's why she's become more or less an object of political activism, since (unfortunately) making a traveling museum/monument out of her may be the only way to save her.

Incidentally, I'm planning on making a trip to Philly on March 5 to see her (among other things). Of course, I'll only be able to get so close.....


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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-15-1999 02:52 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a new development, not a big one, but relatively important nonetheless. The Philadelphia Historical Commission has endorsed the placement of the Big U on the National Register of Historic Places. No attempt was made by the ship's current owner to delay this hearing, a move that was expected. An article in the Philadelphia City Paper details the story.

Also, the SS United States Foundation is to announce its nonprofit status later this month. This should help garner donations, which the Foundation wishes to use to purchase the ship itself and fund the restoration.

Keep checking this topic for more developments as they arrive.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-15-1999 02:54 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I forgot to mention that you can view the PCP article at www.citypaper.net. Use the search engine at the bottom of the page to look for "Westover."
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posted 02-25-1999 05:18 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SS United States Foundation news --

The SS United States Foundation is now officially accepting members. The Foundation has achieved 501c3, or non-profit, status, meaning that all contributions are tax-deductible. Of course, this only applies to US citizens. It is suspected that the Foundation, by way of member contributions, intends to raise enough money to buy and restore the ship itself.

If you would like to become a member of the SS United States Foundation, email your mailing address to Robert Westover, Foundation chairman, at rhwestover@worldnet.att.net. He will then send you an application for membership.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 03-06-1999 02:52 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If any of you have ever before had the opportunity to witness a living legend, I can imagine that you might understand how I feel after having seen the legendary SS United States for myself.

It was yesterday, March 5. I had taken a small excursion to the New Jersey State Aquarium in Camden, NJ, which is just across the Delaware River from Philadelphia. As I entered the building I could see her, roughly 3 miles to the south on the Philadelphia bank, her mighty funnels towering above even the roadway level of the neighboring Walt Whitman Bridge. Yet even from there, I could see that she had faded; the red was, well, pink now, and the blue was similarly washed out.

We finished our visit to the aquarium, my wife and I, and then proceeded back to the car for our quick trip to Philadelphia. It was not long before we had crossed the river and were on our way southwards towards the ship. From time to time, her funnels would appear magically between the buildings along the waterfront, only to disappear as quickly with the interference of yet another building as we drove along.

And then suddenly, there she was! It felt like my heart stopped for just a second as I saw her up close for the first (first? Had I possibly seen her once before as a child?) time.

We drove a bit further on so that we could make a U-turn to get to her side of the road. We pulled off the road in front of her right near a loading dock. Unfortunately, as I'd expected (and as Mr. Westover had forewarned me), the gate was closed since it was still within business hours at the dock. Therefore I could not get very close to her. But I could see her plainly just the same.

We got out of the car and as I gazed upon her, it hit me. An incredible range of emotions ran across me, from being awestruck, to pitiful, to hopeful. She was huge, longer than the Grand Princess (but not nearly as tall) and possessed of the beautifully classic form of the liner that I have grown to love.

And I could almost feel, not hear, but feel her calling out for help. She is indeed a mess, unfortunately. An enormous rusted patch adorns her port bow and there are countless small rusty areas along the sides of her superstructure.

At the time, I was quite completely at a loss for words (no small feat that!), struggling between the awe and the pity of the sight, and it took some time before I had recovered enough to think about her possible future. I believe that if enough people come to her aid, she WILL be restored to her former glory.

I feel uniquely privileged to have been able to share this experience with you, and I hope that it inspires at least some of you to join the fight.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 03-12-1999 12:33 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
New developments about the Big U are coming in at almost a regular rate now.

In today's news, the Pennsylvania Historic Preservation Board has officially nominated the SS United States for placement on the National Register of Historic Places. All that remains to be done to have her listed is the formality of delivering the nomination to Washington, where it is expected to pass with overwhelming approval. What is significant here is that in order to merit this listing, the candidate must be at least 50 years old or have enormous national significance. The SS United States apparently bears this significance.

The bad news is that although she is listed, she is still unprotected. Her current owner could still sell her to some commercial interest which might invariably include a scrapyard. We're hoping that this isn't the case, but the only thing right now that assures that she can't be sold again is a Presidential declaration that she is in fact a national monument.

At any rate, what this ship signifies should never be lost. Her achievements are far too important to be handed over to a scrapyard. Let's hope the President comes to her rescue. She helped him out once (he was once a passenger); it's time he gives her a helping hand.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 03-25-1999 10:16 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tomorrow, March 26, there is to be a major press conference in Washington D.C. to be held by the SS United States Foundation. While certainly there are more pressing issues at hand in world affairs, the fight to save the Big U goes on. Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this conference, however, details will be forthcoming as they become available.
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Vaccaro
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posted 03-25-1999 03:11 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks you Joe for informations, it's hard to obtain informations about SS UNITED STATES in Europe.
I sfrongly hope BIG U will be saved!

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posted 03-25-1999 11:02 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have visited the BigU in 1979 and in 1987. I also worked with some of the designers hired by Richard Hadley who at one time owned the ship with plans of restoring her. I have drawn up some conceptual ideas to bring the ship back into service. She was designed to be a reliable work-horse crossing the Atlantic on a timely schedule, and I have ideas that could give her life again. A combination of luxury cruise ship, research vessel, disaster relief vessel, a mobile manufacturing facility for a company wishing to distribute their product world-wide and a few other ideas all wrapped up into one fabulous work-horse. More later.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 04-22-1999 05:07 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That seems to be the line of thought that Mike Alexander has, that she more or less could and should be restored to service as a sort of "goodwill ambassador," if you will. At any rate, the common thread among all supporters is that she is to be saved and restored.

Haven't heard anything of substance lately, however, since the Foundation had its organizational meeting and press conference nearly a month ago. One point I received today from Bob Westover was that a story was broadcast on the BBC regarding the fight to save her. Clearly this is an international affair, and it's wonderful to see that so many people around the world dearly wish to see the Big U sail again.

Incidentally, for membership applications, send an email to foundation@ss-united-states.com containing your name and mailing address, and the site will respond some minutes later with an application for membership.


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posted 04-22-1999 05:12 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One other point I forgot to make mention of. I've seen in one instance on the 'net that one person's idea in restoring her includes changing her powertrain to a modern diesel system. I can't help but balk at that line of thought, since it is her powertrain that made her a legend in the first place. I should think that any modification of her powertrain which significantly reduces the power she generates and the speed at which she travels constitutes nothing less than rape.

If any conversion to diesel is performed (and I can certainly understand the business reasons why), then that powertrain MUST be able to deliver the sort of power that her current system can supply.


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posted 05-21-1999 04:41 PM      Profile for tg_lindo   Email tg_lindo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find comprehensive pictures of the United States interior design? Seems the Cunarders are well documented, but photos of this ship's 50's modern decor remain elusive.

My dream: if She goes back into service, the interior will be appropriate to the era of the ship. The cruise-going public would appreciate it. 50's modern is VERY hip right now. e.g. Rembrant was featured in a hip design journal.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 05-21-1999 05:14 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, thanks for your interest in the Big U.

A good place to start is at ss-united-states.com. This is Mike Alexander's site, and it contains links to other sites which have some pictures of her interior. The page in particular is http://www.ss-united-states.com/ku1.html.

In my opinion, though, I don't necessarily share the desire to see '50's-style furniture back on the ship. From the pictures I have seen, it's downright hideous, although I certainly understand why it should be there from a purist's point of view.


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posted 05-21-1999 11:48 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I agree with Joe, the interiors of the United States were cold, sterile, and in some instances hideous. Too much tile everywhere. When I was aboard the ship just before they sold off her interior fittings, I didn't think the ship interiors were very elegant, inviting, or even comfortable. It would have been neat to do a crossing on her, but she didn't compare to the elegance of the Queen Mary. She reminded me of a battleship with nice furniture and some decorations here and there. Don't get me wrong, however, the Big U is my second favorite ship after the Queen Mary.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 06-03-1999 10:29 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Something of a development.

Firstly, the Foundation now has its own website at www.ssunitedstates.org. At this time, there's little more than a welcome page, but it gives you a reasonably good idea as to what the Foundation's goals are, and how the plight of the Big U has become famous around the world.

In other news, CNN, the Cable News Network (I'm not sure if the network is international), will be airing a 3-minute story on the ship and the Foundation's fight to save it. It was supposed to be aired last night, but unfortunately was postponed until further notice. More on that when it becomes apparent as to when the story will air.

Also, the National Register of Historic Places is expected to pronounce its ruling on the matter by this coming Friday. Again, more details as they come in.


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fluctuant nec mergitur
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posted 06-03-1999 10:52 AM      Profile for fluctuant nec mergitur   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

tg_lindo,
Interior photos are very difficult to find. The source of this photo is from the Archive of Gibbs & Cox, the designers of the United States. Perhaps contacting them would be a good start if you haven't already?
fluctuant nec mergitur



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Barryboat
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posted 06-03-1999 11:31 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah yes the Navajo Room - The indian decorations were made with colored sand. This was a pre-dinner hot spot for first class passengers.
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Classy joint....you have to love anyplace with sand art!!
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Joe at PwC
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posted 06-04-1999 09:08 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, here it is folks, the first moment we've been waiting for, in Chairman Westover's own words....

Today, June the 3rd, 1999, we have made history. The SS United States was given the highest recognition as a National Treasure, by placement on the National Register of Historic Places. This has been a year and a half battle on the part of the foundation. No less than three historic commissions were involved and hundreds of hours of time were dedicated to this effort. To be recognized by the National Register for any site is an honor, but for the site to be less than 50 years of age, and recognized, is a statement. She had to meet the highest criteria of national significance and therefore was given the closest scrutiny. What this says for us is that we as admirers of this great ship were not over stating her importance to our nation's history.

At this juncture in the campaign to save this treasure, I must point out that this designation, however important, will not in itself save the SS US. Her current owner can legally do anything to her he wants. But what it does give us is the power of awareness and the leverage needed for fund raising and legislative action. Of the 60,000 sites listed on the National Register, less than 2 percent have ever qualified that were less than 50 years in age. We have accomplished a great thing. My thanks go out to all of you who have dedicated your time and money to this effort. Now the battle to save the Big U really begins.


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