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Topic: NEW TITANIC

DAMBROSI
First Class Passenger
Member # 100

posted 05-26-1999 01:08 PM

AFTER THE BLOCKBUSTER MOVIE LAST
YEAR, WE ALL HEARD ABOUT THE 2 NEW
TITANICS TO BE BUILT, HAS ANYONE
HEARD ANY NEW INFO? WILL THERE BE
A NEW TITANIC FOR THE 90TH ANNIVERSARY SAILING FROM SOUTHHAMPTON, ENGLAND AS PROMISED?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND RESPONSE.

Posts: 2554 | From: Florida, USA, Where the Legend SS NORWAY sailed from. Moving back to FL next yr. | Registered: May 99

Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 05-26-1999 07:47 PM

Your probably referring the article in Popular Machanics about the proposed TITANIC look-a-like with all the modern amenities. There are always going to be dreamers out there who even form a company with the aspiration of making their dreams come true. I've seen plans for a mile long 750 foot wide ship that some nuts think they will build, but I always assume it's a pipe dream unless I see that they've laid the keel and begun construction. So far this TITANIC idea "goofy as it may be" is just a dream and the keel plates have not been laid yet as far as I know, and believe me I'd know it if this happened.

Posts: 1851 | From: Bloomington, Minnesota (Home to the Mall of America) | Registered: Mar 99

Joe at PwC
First Class Passenger
Member # 225

posted 05-28-1999 11:27 PM

This debate has been raging for well over a year now. For my part, I see it this way.

Ship folk, going back over the centuries, are largely a superstitious lot, and that being the case, I cannot imagine there ever being a time when a replica of the vessel involved in one of the greatest tragedies of the century (at least in maritime terms) would be built. I think they may see the "Titanic" name as being cursed, and any attempt to replicate it would be ultimately doomed by its very association with the original.

That being said, although I'd love to see it built (I'm not superstitious), I'll believe it when I see it. Even then, I still might find it hard to believe that its real.

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joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 05-26-1999 10:46 PM

As far as we can tell, none of these projects seems to have much of a chance of moving beyond a web page and press release. There is a web page that summarizes the various projects at http://www.put.com/gigantic/

Joe at TravelPage.com

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 05-30-1999 05:42 PM

I find it really hard to believe that they allowed the Titanic's sister ship to be scrapped at the end of her service! I would have thought that the 'Olympic' would have been preserved as a musuem of hotel like the Queen Mary.

Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!

Joe at PwC
First Class Passenger
Member # 225

posted 06-01-1999 10:10 PM

Disheartening, isn't it?

Cunard, in the midst of depression and just prior to WWII apparently saw that the Olympic was just too costly to operate, and given that they had just pumped a great deal of capital into their shiny new Queen Mary, they felt that scrapping it was the best course of action. It is a wonder why such things as conversion to usage as a floating hotel or museum were not considered at the time, but I suspect that, given the hostile economics of the time, there would be too much of a stigma attached to such a (by perception) "wasteful" use of an old ship.

And yet, the original Mauretania survived until 1950! My thoughts on that are, Cunard didn't build the Olympic, nor had she held any sort of crossing record, so they felt no qualms whatsoever about scrapping her.

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 06-02-1999 09:18 AM

Hold the phone Joe....The original Mauretania was laid up in 1934 the same year that the Queen Mary was launched at John Brown ship yard in Scotland. Mauretania's fittings were auctioned off - some of which are in the Mauretania Pub in Bristol - and in 1935 Mauretania was scrapped.

It's too bad that these old liners were scrapped, but the owners also felt that it would be better than just rotting away along some backwater. Scrapping an old ship was the dignified end for a liner - after a long and successful career.

Posts: 1851 | From: Bloomington, Minnesota (Home to the Mall of America) | Registered: Mar 99

Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 06-02-1999 09:25 AM

Oh, one more thing, Joe, you're probably thinking about the Aquitania which did survive until 1949

Posts: 1851 | From: Bloomington, Minnesota (Home to the Mall of America) | Registered: Mar 99

Joe at PwC
First Class Passenger
Member # 225

posted 06-02-1999 11:08 AM

I stand corrected.

It was the Aquitania. Sorry about that.

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fluctuant nec mergitur
First Class Passenger
Member # 577

posted 06-02-1999 12:40 PM

This is the RMS Aquitania in rough seas October 1930

Posts: 42 | Registered: May 99

mikew
First Class Passenger
Member # 707

posted 07-02-1999 02:07 AM

Malcolm - like you I can't believe the Olympic was scrapped after just 24 years of service - but as noted it was the middle of the Depression and passengers were a little scarce. Interestingly, during the 30's the Queen Mary was the only liner to make a profit - the Bremen, Europa, Rex, Conte di Savoia and other "ships of state" all made a loss - and Normandie, despite her magnificance, rarely made a trip more than half full. I did hear also that Olympic had some hull weaknesses in her later years - I think in 1930 Lloyds put her on their watch list due to fairly severe cracking in the structural members under the bridge. I thought of this recently when I heard of tests showing Titanic's steel was very brittle and more prone to "breaking" as opposed to "bending". Would love to get some clarification from a marine engineer on this as it seems hard to believe that Harland & Wolff would build a weak ship - then again maybe steel was not as good in those days? Anyone have any comments?

Posts: 14 | From: Auckland, New Zealand | Registered: Jul 99

Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 07-02-1999 05:42 AM

Hi...I saw a TV documentary where I think that they said that the steel tests proved that it was strong, but they supected that rivets may have been weak.

I think the conclusion was that the rivets were fine under the normal stress and strains of sea travel, but not very resistant to the 'ripping' type forces of grazing an iceberg. In short, avoid Icebergs at all cost!

(I understand that if she had hit the Iceberg square on, bows first, less watertight compartments would have been damaged and she may not have sunk?)

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Joe at PwC
First Class Passenger
Member # 225

posted 07-02-1999 10:20 AM

That seems to be the going line of thought, seeing as her bow section would have entirely absorbed the impact, or at least that's what the hypothesis is. Then she would have limped into New York and stunned the crowds which were gathered at the pier, making for a very bizarre welcoming party.

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