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The key is space. Space for larger accommodations, ...for more and larger facilities, ...for extensive programming in education, wellness, business, and entertainment. The city-ship will feature three hotel towers, a "downtown" of streets and boulevards lined with shops, restaurants, bars, bistros and cafes, entertainment facilities including a 2,000-seat theater, and an entire 100,000 sq. ft. conference world for the meeting market. A university, a health and wellness center, a world-class spa, even a TV production and broadcast center -- these and much, much more. In the stern of the ship massive doors will open to reveal an internal marina, home port to four 400-passenger high-speed daycruisers that will ferry guests to and from the ship even while she is underway and serve even the smallest ports and coastal destinations. Sailing from Maine to Virginia for half of each year and along the Southeast and Gulf coasts from its Port Canaveral home port in the Winter months, America World City will perform coastwise voyages which are exclusively reserved by law to U.S. built, American flag ships.Years in detailed development, fully designed, U.S. Coast Guard approved, contract ready, benefiting from the participation by a National Collaborative of some of America's leading corporations, final government approval is being sought for a construction loan guarantee for the billion dollar ship under an existing federal program for this purpose. Target for construction contract: early 1997. Target for delivery and start of operations: late 2000.In addition, the construction and outfitting requirements of the city-ship will require components for the following onboard facilities: thirteen restaurants 30 bars, bistros, and cafes major fully-equipped wellness and medical facility world-class spa 30,000 sq. ft. of retail space 100,000 sq. ft. of meeting, conference, and exhibition space with latest audio-visual features house of worship television production and broadcast center complex of educational studios (music, art, crafts, photography, etc.) 2,000-seat main theater and other entertainment sites and facilities major library a high-tech "Spectacusphere" exhibit area with hands-on interactive displays of emerging technologies and products a "Planetarium" featuring the wonders of earth and space an array of sports facilities and programs ("Tennis-at-sea, anyone?") interactive communication and information links in all guestrooms. In short, a highly diverse, fully equipped and "wired" prototype community.
In the stern of the ship massive doors will open to reveal an internal marina, home port to four 400-passenger high-speed daycruisers that will ferry guests to and from the ship even while she is underway and serve even the smallest ports and coastal destinations.
Sailing from Maine to Virginia for half of each year and along the Southeast and Gulf coasts from its Port Canaveral home port in the Winter months, America World City will perform coastwise voyages which are exclusively reserved by law to U.S. built, American flag ships.
Years in detailed development, fully designed, U.S. Coast Guard approved, contract ready, benefiting from the participation by a National Collaborative of some of America's leading corporations, final government approval is being sought for a construction loan guarantee for the billion dollar ship under an existing federal program for this purpose. Target for construction contract: early 1997. Target for delivery and start of operations: late 2000.
In addition, the construction and outfitting requirements of the city-ship will require components for the following onboard facilities:
thirteen restaurants 30 bars, bistros, and cafes major fully-equipped wellness and medical facility world-class spa 30,000 sq. ft. of retail space 100,000 sq. ft. of meeting, conference, and exhibition space with latest audio-visual features house of worship television production and broadcast center complex of educational studios (music, art, crafts, photography, etc.) 2,000-seat main theater and other entertainment sites and facilities major library a high-tech "Spectacusphere" exhibit area with hands-on interactive displays of emerging technologies and products a "Planetarium" featuring the wonders of earth and space an array of sports facilities and programs ("Tennis-at-sea, anyone?") interactive communication and information links in all guestrooms. In short, a highly diverse, fully equipped and "wired" prototype community.
fluctuant nec mergitur
Clearly, this vessel is not intended for cruising, but as an alternative means of LIVING, although I for one would probably not want to live on this ship.
I consider myself largely open-minded, although when it comes to ships, I have a preference for a certain style of design. It's not to say that this vessel cannot fulfill its own purpose. Clearly, as I said, its builders are probably not thinking about the ship as a cruise ship or liner, but rather as a new way of living. I never thought of liners and cruise ships in terms of living space for the long term. I suppose I could be persuaded to change my thinking on the subject, however, I should require a sound reason as to why. Granted, there have been precedents set (eg., ResidenSea, basically a mobile condominium complex for the ultra-rich).
I suppose this world would be a much drearier place if not for dreamers, which is why I myself have become involved on a limited basis with a small consortium of people dedicated to building the ultimate express liner.
I can assure everyone here that I will never have to worry about boarding unless the president of the company of my employment decides to move on board and invites me to visit his new "summer home" or I win the local lottery.
As interesting as I'm sure it will be, as Joe stated "it is not for cruising", at least not in the sense that we have become accustomed. I look at the deck plans for RCI's Voyager of the Seas and wonder if I really would want to cruise with an ice skating rink, rock climbing wall and all of the other amenities, if that is what they would be called. I'm not opposed to change. I can't be since I'm a computer network programmer/manager and trying to even keep up with change is a full time job in itself.
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned or maybe I'm just trying to get away from run-away technology... give me the Club Internationale aboard the S/S Norway any day.
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I took no offense whatsoever with your post. If my reply gave any cause to think I did, then I am the one who will apologize. I realize that English is not your native language and, if I could converse 1/10th as well in French as you do in English I would consider myself extremely fortunate.
I understood your post to indicate that you feel, as I do, that change is not a BAD thing and you would be willing to attempt to keep up with the times and at least see what this new marvel of the seas has to offer. I have cruised on the modern ships (Majesty, Enchantment and Legend of the Seas and the Dream(ward) and have thoroughly enjoyed myself. However, it was a different kind of enjoyment than I felt on the S/S Norway. Not any less enjoyable, just different.
PLEASE, do not even consider withdrawing from this forum on my account. I have so much enjoyed reading your insightful posts regarding a variety of topics especially those on our favorites, the classic liners. I have made some very large faux pas (whatever the plural is) in my days of posting to this and other web sites. Believe me, I was shocked at your last posting because all of the points that you seem to have read into your and my post, I did not see at all. You stated your opinion and I accepted your statement as just that, your valued opinion.
Looking forward to your next post!!
Please reconsider your thoughts of leaving this forum as I trust others who have been here much longer than I would also encourage you to stay. This is an exchange of ideas and opinions. An opinion is as diverse as a fingerprint and unique in that way. Facts on the other hand are facts and the way we precieve those facts may also differ from time to time. This concept ship is just that and hasn't even been fleshed out yet. It insites a lot of emotion and opinions as it is such a grand concept at that. That is part of the purpose for me starting this particular thread. I believed there would be no person who would be indifferent when it comes to such an undertaking of this magnitude.
We are an International forum here and there are some disadvantages non-natives have in language and nuance. After reading the posts of others you refere to I don't think they were offended. I think I understand your feeling, and I for one want to strongly encourage you to stay. I believe the others will also concure. We all have come here under the common bond of our love and respect for Cruise Ships. We are all in this virtual ship together here. And you are a virtual crew member we value here.Your friend, fluctuant nec mergitur
We have already seen a transition from 'Ocean Liner' to 'Cruise Ship' in our recent maritime history. Cruise Ship to a 'City at Sea' seems possible for those with unlimited money. My only reservation is that it is much easier to build a futeristic 'web site' that it is a floating city. There are 'Web' sites about giant Airships of the future and replica 'Titanics'....but only time will tell what is and is not a dream.
By the way, I didn't comment on this mega ship yet in this thread. I will only believe that it will be built when I hear in the cruise-trade magazines or on the news that the "keel has been laid". I like big ships and I would be fascinated by such a huge vessel. Something that big would feel more like an Island rather than a ship. We probably wouldn't feel any motion. That's the fun of cruising or crossing is the concept that we are at sea rather than looking out across the ocean from a steel Island. I've often thought too, what makes the concept of a liner or cruise ship is the community onboard. The realization that we're all in this ship together and bound for the same destination, gives us all something in common. "Getting there IS half the Fun". (like the old Cunard advertisement said) There may be a place in the cruise industry for a bohemouth like the one pictured above, but we all know that the days of the GREAT TRANS-ATLANTIC LINER is long gone. Sure Cunard can build a couple of new liners but the reason for "liner" in the first place was as regular transportation across the "big pond". We can in a sense re-live that old feeling of crossing on a liner by crossing aboard the QE-2 or the Norway, but the difference is for fun rather than neccessity, which creates a completely different atmosphere onboard. I think if Cunard really studied hard the philosophy of the trans-Atlantic crossing on let's say the Queen Mary, Mauretania, Normandie or Ile De France, it is possible they could replicate that "environment" and highlight that "feeling" of those days gone by. I would love to see this happen. Oh, I'm rambling sorry.
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