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Joe at PwC
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posted 01-29-2000 08:42 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just thought I'd try out my new HTML skills and let you all know that in the latest development, the SS United States Foundation is now lobbying US government officials to declare the ship a National Landmark. This still does not protect her from complete disaster, but it's another step towards the status of National Monument, which would take her out of the hands of any who might want to scrap her. Here's a picture I took in Philadelphia last year.


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geno-r
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posted 01-30-2000 03:03 PM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really wish that some cruise line would rescue this great ship and by some miracle put her back in service. I wouldn't even care if she became another Big Red Boat!
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DAMBROSI
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posted 01-30-2000 10:20 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
we're with you GENO-R. National monument is'nt enough for this liner.
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gizmo
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posted 01-31-2000 12:47 PM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe,

Where was this picture taken? Philly Navy Yard?


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Patrick
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posted 01-31-2000 01:44 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you guys. The BIG U really should become a cruiseship. Even if BIG RED BOAT is a matter of taste, it would be great to see her afloat again. NCL Holdings would be another good line, as a fleetmate of her former rival FRANCE, the BIG U would fit quite well in there. But she might be too small for NCL.
Let´s hope the best !

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Joe at PwC
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posted 01-31-2000 02:34 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
gizmo, this is right on the Philly waterfront - Oregon Ave., about 1/4 mile North of the Walt Whitman Bridge. She was a staggering sight when I first set eyes on her.

Dambrosi, as much as I think that having her designated a National Monument would be to her benefit, I too would love to have the opportunity to sail on her simply for what she is. Converting her to a national monument would more than likely remove such an opportunity. The Foundation is committed to having her be a "floating" National Monument, meaning that she could go from port to port more or less as a traveling museum. Whether or not the average joe could hop passage aboard her is not altogether clear, but it is hoped that it would be a possibility. At any rate, it would be a tragedy if for any reason she were to be scrapped.

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DAMBROSI
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posted 01-31-2000 11:24 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can tell you, I got a letter from an executive from Carnival. when I wrote and asked if they could save the liner. He told me it would be better if it was sunk and be made into a reef off Miami. The executive is still very visible today. All I can say is. SHAME ON HIM.Thank you Joe for clearing up matters.

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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-01-2000 09:48 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I figured it was someone from Carnival, and do you know why? It's because they can't make any money out of her. The average Carnival type goes Carnival because they can't afford a classier ship. Doing anything with the Big U would go against their entire business philosophy. They'd be the last organization I'd want to see involved in any way regarding the Big U. This is a group which has single-handedly destroyed any class ships had, because their fleet is frightening. I don't include any of their subsidiary organizations, because for the most part, Carnival's architectural team had nothing to do with the designs of those ships. But they wouldn't know a classy ship if it bit them on the bottom. Thanks for the info, Dambrosi. I'm about one small step away from taking back my overly generous review of the Triumph.

Just remember, you'll never see millions of people around the world clamoring to save ANY of their ships. So there.

P.S. Sorry, folks, if my agitation was found offensive in any way, but when anyone starts a smear campaign against what is arguably the greatest liner ever built, that presses the wrong button. Shame on Carnival. Princess rules!


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posted 02-01-2000 10:53 AM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe, when your right, your right. I like Carnival for the cruise experience, but they seem to only be interested in bigger ships to jam more people into. Any are they really that cheap? I see more and more deals on lines like Princess, HAL and the like. Carnival would have some tough comptetion if Premier got there act together and gave people the same type of cruise experience(which I think they almost do now anyway) and had some good, steady itneraries. They should have never sold the Atlantic, because that type of ship is perfect for 7 day cruises in the Carribean.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-01-2000 11:56 AM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that Carnival is still quite a bit cheaper than the others you mentioned. If you look at what it costs for a suite on the Triumph versus what it costs for a suite on the Grand Princess, there's a major difference. Also, typically, those bargain-basement deals you might see in the newspaper are typically based on an inside cabin on the lowest deck. Obviously, this is not the most attractive environment to most cruisers, so most pay more than what is quoted as the "deal" price.

Yeah, it's a shame about the Atlantic and Premier. I never got the opportunity to sail the Atlantic, but my parents did, quite a few times at that, when she was still a Home Lines vessel. I think that was probably one of their favorite ships. They seemed to like her a lot. As a matter of fact, I'm rather disappointed that Home Lines no longer exists, because they were my parents' favorite line for many years. They seem to be a bit partial to Costa now, although they still like Princess quite a bit as I do.

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gizmo
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posted 02-01-2000 01:22 PM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good site for the SS United States is www.
ss-united-states.com. Current pictures and articles.
(I do not know how to attach the address so you can go right to it).

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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-01-2000 02:49 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think maybe like this:


www.ss-united-states.com

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DAMBROSI
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posted 02-02-2000 03:40 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We were on the ATLANTIC just before it was sent to it's new owners, we
loved it too. And I agree, I never got to sail with Home Lines, I chomp
at the bit wishing that we could have. With all the comments surrounding Carnival, you'd think they would pay attention.
By the way fellow passengers, we got
the trip on the S/S REMBRANDT, it beat the 7 day cruise on the SENSATION by $60.00 per person. Carnival lacks good designers for the
interiors of their ships. I get vascular migraine headaches and looking at all that neon that Carnival has on their ships would make it worse. I hope when the former
EUGENIO C comes down here. That it will be better than the REMBRANDT.
We still have yet to hear from their
Customer Relations Dept. about our
recent experience. Boy can I ramble.......Next>>>>>>>>>

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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-07-2000 04:47 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Yahoo site now has a club for SS United States enthusiasts. All interested can join at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ssunitedstates

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P.S. The site for the SS United States Foundation is http://www.ssunitedstates.org

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jake14
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posted 02-09-2000 10:03 PM      Profile for jake14   Email jake14   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
sorry i put it on two times

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jake14
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posted 02-09-2000 10:03 PM      Profile for jake14   Email jake14   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think it would make a great transatlantic liner for cunard
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JDCasey
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posted 02-10-2000 09:17 AM      Profile for JDCasey   Email JDCasey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think anyone has a greater love of the Classic liners of the past than I do. But I am a realist. The United States was a symbol of national pride. It was, however, built with goverment money (about 70%) as a rapid deployment troop transport. The very structual components which made it possible in 1952 are the reasons it would not make a good cruise ship. As much as I would like to see the Big U at sea again, its only hope for survival is some form of museum or tourist attraction.
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Joe at PwC
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posted 02-10-2000 12:15 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I realize that, and that's why I'm in the Foundation. And yeah, I'd love to see her sail again as a cruise vessel, but I also realize that that's probably a pipe dream. Making her a profitable ship would destroy the very reason she's a legend. So that's why the Foundation is lobbying hard to have her declared a National Monument, which would protect her from being scrapped (unless, heaven forbid, the government actually saw fit to scrap her!) and allow any restoration effort to receive Federal funds.
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posted 02-10-2000 10:40 PM      Profile for mikiebaccarat   Email mikiebaccarat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sailed on Caribbean Cruises on Home Lines Ms. Italia (she was old), their SS. Homeric, Oceanic and Atlantic. Home Lines was the best of all the lines and I was sorry to see their demise. Their last new flagship Homeric is now th HAL's Westerdam. I think HAL is next best after Home lINES.
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posted 02-22-2000 03:38 PM      Profile for blf49   Email blf49   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heck, I'd even sail on the Big U if Premier call her Big Red 7 of 9! Instead of a monument, why not modify the legislation of the National Register of Historic Places, to include her? She's bigger than some buildings which were designated. This allows LOTS of funding sources, both governmental and tax exempt. (It also allows some for profit use!)
But anything that keeps her whole is okay by me!
(And a pox on the Carnivale exec...he's making money with his market, why spit in someone else's soup?)

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mikiebaccarat - I'm way off topic I know - HAL's 'old Westerdam'
formerly the Homeric became the 'new' Westerdam in '90. She was cut in half in Emden, Germany in '89. We were on that trans-Atlantic crossing - it was the Captain's (Kiviet) Honeymoon Cruise. For October, the Atlantic was like a millpond. I'm sure a dear friend and I secretly prayed each night for a few good waves! Our prayers were not answered but there was excitement - our arrival in Tilbury was greeted by the 'Doggie Drug Squad' - we were suspected of having drugs on board! To my knowledge nothing was ever found but disembarkation was delayed by about 5 hours. To add to the confusion, a large contingent of UK Travel Agents was boarding for the trip to Emden, Germany. It really was wall to wall people. Holland America Line did a wonderful job of keeping everyone fed and comfortable.
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P.S. We've never had a Butler again!


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posted 02-23-2000 05:28 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe, Talking of html skills how do you insert a picture when posting a reply. Come to that how do you put previously written text in as well.

Thanks
Great Site

Terry


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posted 02-25-2000 01:34 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know this is a bold statement to make, but I have been working on trying to bring back the Big U since the days when Richard Hadley purchased the ship in 1978-79. I may have finally found a decent nitche for the Big U, and a possible "valid" program to bring her into service again. I have been working on this concept for nearly 10 years. I may have made the right contacts and created a unique enough program that would successfully put the Big U to sea again for a wonderful cause too. I'm will be making my initial pitch in May or June. I have always been a get it done and follow through type of person, and I'm not finished with this project until I finally see the ss United States power up and steam away under her own power. There are a lot of dreamers out there, but I'm not just a dreamer, but a doer. You just wait...we might see the Big U power up again within the next three years! Regardless of the bird poop on deck and the little bit of rust around her hull, this can all be cleaned up. Her engines and boilers are actually in pretty good shape, except there may be a bit of corrosion to one of her reduction gears from moisture, but it can still be retooled to function properly.

I'll give you all a sneak into what the tentative plans are for the ship structurally. The Lifeboats will be lowered to the Promenade and sun deck, instead of the Sun Deck & Sports Deck. Two new decks will be added to the Sports Deck and Bridge Deck, similar to what they did to the Norway. These two new decks will contain balconied suites, but will look very nice, with large, flush, sliding windows which open up to the sea, but with no railings. The actual Bridge will be raised to a higher deck and extended a bit more forward, basically a new Bridge will be constructed. The aft decks will have a nicely tiered effect like the liners in the old days, similar to how the Normandie looked, but with a much more futuristic design. There will be some wonderful straight lines and angles built into her new superstructure, with kind of a fifties look. There will be a wonderful lounge aft, on Bridge deck similar to Verandah Grill on Queen Mary, but of course very modern, with large windows looking aft. There will be much more usable open deck space. Even with the new decks added, the funnels will still be very imposing, and maintaining her Ocean Liner look. Her whole superstructure will have a raked look, especially forward overlooking the bow.

The ships function? There are still some details I cannot reveal, however, the Big U would be broken up into about 10 different departments onboard. Two departments would be for Cruise passengers. The passengers would be broken up into two major section, "Ultra First Class", with large balconied suites and the the most advanced, upscale luxury available on any cruise ship, and completely separate from the other passengers, making this part of the ship very exclusive. Then there is the "Cruise" Class, which would be for the more mass-market cruise vacationer. The ships passenger capacity would be lowered dramatically so that she would only carry about 800 passengers. The rest of the ship, (about 65% of her space) would be designated for other uses completely unrelated to the cruise vacation industry.

She would still maintain her four screws except state-of-the-art variable-pitched propellers would replace the original design. A trim tab would be added to her Rudder to give her slightly better maneuverability. Thrusters will be installed at the bow. Two large Stabilizer fins will be added forward of midship. Parts of her engines, gearing, and boilers will be updated with more advanced technology. What can I say, the Big U will be a "Supership"! She will have the speed when needed. She will be a world-class vessel that will represent American ingenuity and pride. She will travel the world's oceans, and not be limited to the Caribbean. It's that 60% of the ship's space that I can't really tell right now, but I know that all the fans of the ssUnited States will be happy with her usage. Hopefull things will go smoothly with my meetings with investors and contacts. Let's all hope for the best!!

This one of the powerful propeller shafts on the ss United States, taken by Barryboat during an inspection visit.

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Patrick
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posted 02-25-2000 03:21 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barryboat,
This sounds all great ! Do you have any drawings done of the changes you would plan to do with the Big U ? Would be interesting to see what you were talking about.
I didn´t know that you are so much engaged with this ship to bring her back in service again. I am currently working as well on a project bringing the lovely ODESSA back to cruise again. Of course, ODESSA and Big U is something different but our ODESSA is a ship which has been and is still very popular in Germany and it´s a real interesting object for the German cruise-market.
Anyway, I wish you much luck with your plans since I know it´s not always easy to negociate, especially if money-problems of the owners play a rule...

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NAL
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posted 02-25-2000 08:51 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barryboat.....

All the best in your efforts to reactivate
this great liner. I crossed on her but once.
It was in January 1966 NYC to Le Havre and
one of the roughest I remember.....she
could really roll and pitch, but gave a
good ride nevertheless for the good sailors
aboard.


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