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Topic: Hale Trophy Trivia

Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 04-26-2000 04:45 PM

I don't normally offer much in the way of trivia, but here goes:

The SS United States won the Hales Trophy on her maiden run on the Atlantic run. Her time was 3 days, 10 hours and 40 minutes.

When and what bettered the United States performance, achieving 3 days, 7 hours and 54 minutes, taking the Hales Trophy?

(Clue: It was rather a long time later)

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gizmo
First Class Passenger
Member # 972

posted 04-26-2000 07:24 PM

Lets give this a try.

Cat-link V. July 20 1998, 2 days 20 hrs 9 min

Hoverspeed June 24 1990, 3 days 7 hrs 54 min

just gettin' rid of your edits - jk

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 04-27-2000 04:43 AM

Yep...as you rightly say 1990 - 38 years later by a Hoverspeed SeaCat! Hardly an Ocean Liner.

(An example of a Hoverspeed Seacat)

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Paddy
First Class Passenger
Member # 357

posted 04-27-2000 01:31 PM

I am just thinking. Two notable ferries, Hoverspeed SeaCat (not owned by Hoverspeed anymore)and Stena Line's HSS Voyager are employed on the on the Belfast to Stranraer route. Just one question. WHY would anyone want two really good ships (maybe not the SeaCat anymore, but they have a new SuperSeaCat) on a crappy route?

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 04-27-2000 01:53 PM

I've no idea Paddy.I would have though that Holyhead to Dun Thingey, was the main route?

Did you know that there were once plans to build a tranatlantic Hovercraft! Of course the idea died a death, almost like the Hovercraft itself.

However, I'm sure you know Paddy, that Britain still run two of the worlds biggest Hovercraft. (Our American friends may not, unless they have read my 'ravings' before?)

The SRN4, which carries up to 60 cars and 418 passengers from Dover to Calais (France) at speeds of up to 65 Knots. Picture borrowed from the 'Hovercraft Museum'web site: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~potter/

Also see: http://www.hoverspeed.co.uk

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 04-27-2000 03:03 PM

Those hovercrafts are like big airplanes sitting on top of huge innertubes. I bet they are noisy. I saw one of these things on my way to Dover from France. I rode the Jetfoil which I guess travels at 45 knots.

I was very disappointed that a vessel like the SeaCat would take the Hales Trophy, that vessel was not designed for the Atlantic. The Hales trophy was for liners not for some modern Jet catamaran.

The Big U in my mind still holds that title and should also hold the Hales trophy.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 04-27-2000 05:09 PM

Yes, Barry you are right. The SRN4's (which you saw) use Aircraft technology and engines. They are very exciting, very fast and pretty noisey. However, they produce no wake. A guy was killed recently, at Harwich, when the wake from the giant HSS Cat sank his fishing boat!

It is a very impressive sight seeing an SRN4 mount its landing pad. But I do agree, these machines are no match for the SS United States.

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JDCasey
First Class Passenger
Member # 1065

posted 04-28-2000 03:35 PM

If memory serves me right, both those crossings were east bound. The United States still holds the record for west bound crossings.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 05-04-2000 07:28 PM

JD, I wonder if the direction of the tide, or something makes a differance?

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JDCasey
First Class Passenger
Member # 1065

posted 05-05-2000 08:56 AM

I don't have the information at my finger tips, but if I remember correctly, the East bound crossing normally takes less time than the West bound. I do believe it depends on the passage of the Gulf stream in the Atlantic. Could someone confirm?

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 05-05-2000 10:37 PM

Yes...from Fastnet to the Ambrose l/v is uphill, and from Ambrose to Fastnet is downhill, so you go faster. Besides, Engineers can always squeeze out a few extra revs when going home!!!
Actually the prevailing winds are westerly and you have the eastbound Gulfstream as well so you are bucking both when westbound...peter

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 07-17-2001 05:07 PM

Hi CruiseTalkers, I reserected this old post because I thought it was interesting.

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The two SRN4 Hovercrafts were retired in October 2000, after 30 years of service. Hoverspeed now run Seacats to France.

I wonder if anyone else will make a challenge for the Hale Trophy?

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Paddy
First Class Passenger
Member # 357

posted 07-18-2001 08:20 AM

Malcolm, its funny I sould see this post again as I was on Stena Line's HSS Voyager again on Sunday and it really is a very impressive vessel. One thing is that they have replaced the onboard McDonalds with a Burger King(!). I returned from Scotland that night on Stena Galloway, a 35 year old piece of trash if ever there was one - dingy, smelly, dirty and boring, the return was a major disappointment.

Paddy.

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