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pungpui
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posted 04-29-2000 07:15 AM      Profile for pungpui     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What do u think should havppen to QE2 when she retires?
a hotel?
scrapyard even?
any ideas?

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Paddy
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posted 04-29-2000 07:20 AM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think she should be turned into a museum of transatlantic travel.
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posted 04-29-2000 07:55 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As much as I hate to admit it, one day in the next 50 years my favorite ship will probably no longer be able to cruise the oceans as she does today.

So when she does become retired I think that Cunard should set her up as a floating hotel, and Transatlantic Museum. A good place would be in New York City - the port where so many of her voyages have begun.

QE2 is still very profitable so I think this topic is about 30 years premature, but that’s what I think we will see happening to her.

My friend, Commodore John Burton Hall RD* RNR (QE2's Captain - retired in 1997) said to me during my 1995 cruise that he thinks that the ship has a good 30 - 35 years left in her as a Trans Atlantic Liner (face it she is basically new thanks to the care Cunard has given her) He also said QE2 could be used for years after that doing the Caribbean and so on. He then went on to say he thinks that she will be made into some sort of museum or national monument when she has to retire.

She will probably outlive all of us.

QE2 will never be on the scrap heap that is for sure.

[This message has been edited by Cunard (edited 05-03-2000).]


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Cunardcoll
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posted 04-29-2000 10:20 AM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to, agree with Cunard , she has to become a Hotel and Oceanliner Museum.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-29-2000 10:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Paddy, I don't think the QE2 has a many years left as folks are predicting. That's why Cunard are building a QM2! I think that all your favourite ships will be lost in the next decade They will not all become museums!

I too think that the QE2 should become a floating Museum - how about in Southampton, or London like the HMS Belfast. However, floating museums are not particularly profitable. The Queen Mary has had her fair share of problems.


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posted 04-29-2000 11:32 AM      Profile for vulcania   Email vulcania   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scrap, it's the ONLY way...you may not like it, but that's the only way anyone will get any more money out of her and THAT's what the shipping business is about. Sorry, sentimentalists.
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posted 04-30-2000 07:00 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm - you are wrong about QE2's life length, and IM not sorry to tell you.

QE2 is dual purpose, which means that she can do world cruises, transit the canal and so on, Queen Mary is so very big that she can not do this. QM2 is NOT being built to replace QE2, why would they do that ? It would mean they have less destinations then they do already - QE2 will be placed onto the Pacific, Atlantic and Caribbean routes when QM2 debuts.

The CEO of Cunard said it him self at the Cunard World Club conference in Perth City - Australia.

Also - Cunard is trying to expand - that means get bigger not build one ship and sell another.

QE2 will be around for a long time to come.

IM glad to see you wouldn't like to see her go to the scrap - and I think with a ship like QE2 she will be profitable no matter what she does because people will always pay to go on her.

Scrap is the worst way a ship can end and I strongly believe we will never see QE2 on that disgrace.


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If I had the money - I would buy her and keep her cruising!


(taken from http://www.chriscunard.cjb.net/ - my web page)

[This message has been edited by Cunard (edited 04-30-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Cunard (edited 04-30-2000).]


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Elizabeth
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posted 04-30-2000 08:01 AM      Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that the QE2 will be around for a long time to come so I feel that it is inappropriate for me to comment on what may or may not be in the distant future.
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posted 04-30-2000 07:33 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Careful what you say, ladies and gents. If Bruce Nierenberg gets wind of this, he may bankrupt Sherwin Williams....what would he call her...The Big Red Queen?

[This message has been edited by Rex (edited 04-30-2000).]


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posted 05-06-2000 04:04 AM      Profile for jeff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think the queen elizabeth 2 should be transferred to carnival and have the funnel fitted with a wing up top and re-named like the rest of the carnival's..."carnival queen"
......just kiddding...hmmmm...sorry,sorry
i really agree on turning her into a flaoting hotel and museum like everyone here has suggested but in southampton. with a hotel and museum the ship could also be host to the community living around the port and have a community center and conference hall.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-06-2000 05:17 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeff, unfortunately, I am told that the British climate (lots of rain) does not preserve ships very well. That's why the QM is at Long Beach.

Malcolm, London.


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posted 05-12-2000 11:43 AM      Profile for Gripsholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I fully agree that the subject matter is premature. Nevertheless there can be absolutely no doubt that the QE2 has to be preserved as a musem / hotel when she retires.

I think it would be fantastic if Cunard preserved her at one of their future terminals. What a great way to start a cruise. Spend the first night aboard the QE2 - dinner in the Queens Grill - and visiting the museum. The next day boarding the QM2 or (even perhaps QE3) for a crossing or a cruise.

Regards,
Gripsholm


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-12-2000 01:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great idea Gripsholm. Cunard passengers would probably go for that.

However, I understand that Carnival are building a terminal near the Queen Mary at Long Beach. I wonder how many Carnival passegers would be interested to visit or stay on the QM? Not many I suspect.


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posted 05-12-2000 02:06 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...she'll end up at Ghadani Beach. Expensive ships like that don't operate on dreams....peter
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posted 05-13-2000 10:06 PM      Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gripsholm, what a great idea!
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posted 05-13-2000 11:45 PM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gripsholm - that would be great!!

gohaze - QE2 will never be on the scrap heap.


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posted 05-14-2000 10:42 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Cunard...your sentimentality about the QE2 is admirable. btw. how many trips have you done on her? We weren't impressed at all with the only one we did, that was combined with the Concorde coming home. Look at the old ones that are left after they have finished operating...only two come to mind, the QM in Long Beach, and didn't I see that the City is trying to sell it again? And the Oriana in the PRC and that is a special case...as is anything there.
It's just not economic for something as expensive as that to be kept going. You're forgetting all the different authorities that can get involved, even when tied up...workman's compensation, health, fire, and a lot more, and every one of them costs money if you want to invite the public on board. All the little bits internally are getting OLD..the wiring, the plumbing, ie. the last Health Inspection said that the galleys were worn out.
Sorry to say...and disappoint you, but no sane person will put the money up, and if Carnival sell her off cheap she'll end up in some backwater looking like the United States....peter

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posted 05-14-2000 04:08 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships are like people, they don't live forever. Cherish them while they are here!
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posted 05-14-2000 04:20 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..just because a ship as grand as the Queen Mary becomes a Hotel, she can still face serious promblems. In 1993 she had new owners, but she had not been properly maintained for a while:

When RMS Foundation, Inc., came aboard in February 1993, they faced a formidable task.

"We faced one unusual challenge after another," recalls RMS President and CEO Joseph F. Prevratil. "The Ship had been
closed for several months during an especially rainy Southern California winter. Leaks were plentiful…Slippery moss was flourishing everywhere, and pigeons had roosted in profusion on the outer decks".

Pungpui, some ship lovers might argue that it is better to scrap a great ship than let her die slowly?


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posted 05-15-2000 02:39 PM      Profile for Gripsholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gohaze,

Obviously you don´t like old liners and especially not the QE2. Fortunately there are plenty of people who love this ship and will keep her going for many years.

The QE2 is also one of the highest ranking ships in professional journals / books (Berlizt etc) - even when the price of the ticket is taken into consideration. I suppose most people are not as disapointed as you are...

What I really don´t understand is your statement "no sane person will put the money up". The QE2 is probably one of the most famous and beloved liner in the maritime history. She must be preserved as a museum and of course such a musem will cost a lot of money to run - that´s for sure.

I suppose Cunard would be interested to invest some money, perhaps with financial aid from shiplovers, maritime institutions etc. I think we cannot let our maritime heritage be dependent only on private corporations. I´m sure that most museums would have closed long ago if they did not get finanicial aid.

Why shouldn´t we preserve at least some of our ocean liners as museums? When we spend a lot of governmental money on muesums for trains, cars, the arts etc.

No "sane" person would suggest scrapping a ship like the QE2. It is like destroying the Royal Castle in Stockholm because it costs to much to maintain and does not generate a profit (and I assure you, like most mueums will never do).

Regards,
Gripsholm



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Gohaze - I have been on QE2 four times. She is the best ship on the sea. It's so unfortunate that you did not enjoy your trip on this truly special liner.

Gripsholm - I agree totally with what you said!


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Hi..Malcolm above, is right. And as far as old ships are concerned I don't have any prejudices..currently our favorite ship was built originally in 1966.!!! btw. Berlitz gives the QE2 ratings from 5* down to 3*.
You know, if you want to spend your money on preserving ships, use it on I.K. Brunel's 'Great Britain' probably the biggest single advance in ship design and construction in history, and she's in the original drydock in which she was built. But there is an example for you...they're always short of money....peter

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posted 05-16-2000 08:06 AM      Profile for CarnivalFantasyClassShips   Email CarnivalFantasyClassShips   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To Cunard:
Cunard, Why would Cunard line want to put QE2 on Pacific and Panama?? If you ask me 'ole Qe2 can still cross the Atlantic in the worst of weather.

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Hi CarnivalFantasyClassShips,

Cunard will place Queen Elizabeth 2 onto more Pacific, Caribbean and Panama cruises once Queen Mary 2 enters service. Queen Elizabeth 2 will, however still cross the Atlantic.

As I understand it, the company's plan is to maintain a 2 ship Atlantic Crossing Schedule in the summer months (peak) and a one-ship service in the winter (when less people will want to travel the Atlantic by sea). As Queen Mary 2 is being built so large, she will find it more difficult to 'cruise' the world then QE2, who was built with cruising in mind - which means QE2 will be seen more in the Pacific Ocean and in the Caribbean and in the Canal during the times when QM2 is able to maintain the Atlantic crossings her self.

This is of cause great for all Australians and West Coast Americans!!

I hope this helps - Good ole' QE2, 30 years young and still a-head of her time, will still cross the Atlantic!!!


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