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kbozman
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posted 05-07-2000 10:36 AM      Profile for kbozman   Email kbozman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Hello everyone,

There has always been one lingering dream
of mine, to have been old enough to have
crossed on any of the grand liners of the
early 20th century. Such as The Queens,
Normandie,Aquitania,the German trio,big U,
Rex,Conti Di Savoia,and many others.

I would sure like to hear any sea stories
about crossings that anyone has made.

there is also no intention on my part for
anyone to give away their age.(just kidding)


Thanks much,
kbozman


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NAL
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posted 05-07-2000 10:08 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kbozman.....
Although I have crossed more than 50 times
so far, of the ships you mentioned, I have
been on Queens Mary and Elizabeth and the
United States. The others were a little
before my time. Historically and otherwise
these three were great liners, although not
my favorites.....my favorites for a crossing
always were with HAL and the French Line. I
will be interested to hear what others have
to say on the subject.

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geno-r
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posted 05-07-2000 10:36 PM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was 13 in 1966 when we returned to NY from Cherbourg on the Queen Mary. I will always remember how foggy it was, some type of submarine hunting aircraft made such a low pass at us, it came from nowhere out of the fog I thought it would land right on top of us. I also remember how bored I was, nothing to do. Then there was no Camp Carnival for us kids, LOL. Thank God the cruise lines figured out how to entertain the passengers.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-08-2000 11:44 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Geno-r,

So was it really boering for you?


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kbozman
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posted 05-09-2000 09:55 PM      Profile for kbozman   Email kbozman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks everyone for your replys, I was
hoping for a better response, but it seems
that there isn't many older cruisers out
there. I guess most of the people who post
on this site fall in to the...wish we could have been there done that category....

Like myself, there are many others who
missed the most wonderful part of our
maritime history, the great liners and the
opportunity to sail on them.


kbozman


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LizB
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posted 05-10-2000 09:41 AM      Profile for LizB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I returned from Europe on the Queen Elizabeth in 1956 and thought she was HUGE as I had sailed over on the old ss Maasdam (15,000 tons). In 1966 my mother and I crossed to LeHavre on the ss France (now the Norway)from New York. Around 4:00 am in the morning we started hitting very rough seas -- and it only got worse as we were skirting a hurricane. I will never forget that as it was only my third sailing, and I told my mother I would NEVER get on another ship. Well, after ten weeks in Europe we DID sail again -- back to NY on the ss Rotterdam. This time we had fog all the way from Southampton to NY and were a day late arriving -- it was really pea-soup fog, and the ocean was like glass all the way. Didn't enjoy the France as much as I should have because of the weather, but I must mention my mother never missed a meal in the dining room. With 75mph winds outside and everything roped down, I sat in the lounge and ate apples and crackers for 5-days!
I guess my fondest memories were on the Rotterdam. She was slightly smaller than the other two liners, but a wonderful ship. She still was when HAL sold her to Premier, except the bathrooms needed to be updated, etc. Also, I didn't do a crossing on her, but the ss Nieuw Amsterdam was also a favorite of mine -- with the big leather chairs in the smoking lounge -- I'm sure NAL remembers these.

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NAL
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posted 05-10-2000 10:34 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LizB.....

I sure do remember those well-worn leather
chairs. What a great ship the SS Nieuw
Amsterdam was!!! I loved the Grand Hall and
the dining room too......wonderfully big
cabins too.
You're one of the few who has mentioned the
old Maasdam.....small, rocky, but nice decor
for the time. I sailed her twin the old
Ryndam too. My parents liked French Line a
lot so we also traveled on Liberte and the
Ile-de-France a few times...those were
very grand ships.....as well as the Flandre.
These are good memories!!!!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-10-2000 03:36 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nal, geno-r and LizB, what great tales. Us younger folk can only dream of the age of the Ocean Liner.

Please tell us more! What was it really like on a real Ocean Liner - were the passengers and crew very different to people today?


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NAL
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posted 05-19-2000 01:39 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just reread LizB's post and saw that she
had crossed on the Rotterdam Southampton to
NYC in 1966. I did too only we boarded in
Rotterdam. It was an unusual sailing in that
all the British ship were tied up in South-
ampton due to a strike.....I never saw so
many in all my years of sailing into South-
ampton.....Union-Castle ships, C.P., Cunard.
...I remember the QM was tied to a pier, but
QE was in drydock and as I found out later
they were installing A/C, an outdoor pool,
and many other things. I remember the Union-
Castle ships were tied 3 deep side by side.
Sadly, I took LOTS of photos which were
later lost during development so I have only
the memories in my mind. I remember too we
had so many pax on Rotterdam.....every birth
was filled with many who were unable to
return home on the Queens....there were even
extra cars on the enclosed promenade on
Promenade deck......I believe we came into
NYC a day late and the unloading was un-
usually slow at the old Pier 40....which
was the best in NYC at the time. I believe
it was a June sailing.....anyone else out
there on that sailing???

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kbozman
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posted 05-19-2000 03:56 PM      Profile for kbozman   Email kbozman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Liz B.

Thanks for the wonderful story, it sounds
like you had a interesting time (to say the least) on your crossing. Some of the stories
I have heard and read have really been fascinating! I am 53 yrs old,grew up
with the great liners, studied them,visited
them,and even sneaked onboard a couple,but
never had a oppurtunity to sail until Aug
99 on the Norway,when she crossed what might
have been her last crossing. (East to West)


As a avid maritime memorabilia collector,
I spent a lot of my time buying anything I
could from both the Norway, and her former
incarnation as the fabled France. I also
enjoyed my conversations with maritime
historian John Maxtone. He has been on many a
crossing and can really tell a story.

I am so thankful that we chose this croosing
because it was so fascinating. We sailed from
Southhampton from the Cunard pier (where the
QE 2 docks, we then had a rendevous with
the new Norwegian Sky on her maiden voyage.
At this time we stopped dead in the water
and watched the Norwegian Sky do circles
around us. You haven't see anything until you
are mid ocean on a liner and then watch another one do 360's around you!!!

From there we sailed on to see the solar
eclipse,although it was partly obscured, it
was fascinating to witness. We then sailed on to Ireland and had a good time.

The most moving and memorable thing that
happened to my family and myself, was when the
Captain performed a memorial ceromony over
the Titanic grave sight. The coordinates
may not have been right on (as some say)
but the fact that he took the time to slow
the ship and have the memorial service meant
a lot to those of us who remember.

And to top it off, just a day out of New York
It was early in the morning and I heard a
ships whistle in the background. When the
Norway replied I knew that something was up.

Fortunately for my family and I, we were on
the Olympic deck right next to a door.
We ran out and there she was in all of her
glory, the QE 2 passing about 1000 yds
off our port side. Needless to say we were
so excited that we were filming in our
underware! We filmed and we video'd the
whole splended thing. Boy, what a spectacle
ships passing,whistles blowing, people
running around,and oh yea,us in our scivvys.

As we sailed into New York habour, and under
the Narrows we watched a beautiful sunrise
over the city,what a sight to behold!!

If there was ever something that I did right,
it was to book that crossing, because there will never be another one like it.

kbozman.


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ctf
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posted 06-14-2000 07:13 PM      Profile for ctf   Email ctf   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm so grateful to read stories from a mythical era! Please, tell us more. NAL, the Liberte and Ile de France were beloved ship for many. Could you tell us some reasons? Were any signs that the Liberte had been the famous Europa of the thirties? Did it continue to carry a small plane to deliver the mail faster? Tell us some reasons why the French Line and Holland America were considered better than other companies.

Thank you by heart for giving us the chance to transfer ourselves to those great times!



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Baker
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posted 06-15-2000 12:01 AM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My first trip to sea was in 1960 and I just missed a positition on the Queen Mary as a a/baker,and was put on the 'Ivernia', another Cunard ship that was only 6years old, I was nearly 18 and had never seen a ship before, except on movies,etc,but I got the feeling this would be a great adventure. Which it was when I had stopped being seasick. yuk. We sailed from Southampton, and we were always berthed next to one of the Queens, and some times we would sail out together, they would go to New York and us to Montreal in the summer and New York when the St Lawrence River was frozen up in the winter. The 'Ivy' was the first ship into Montreal in 1961 and we had smashed our way through ice for a couple of days to get there. The sight of the sea frozen as far as the eye could sea is spectacular, and as the ship ploughed through the only sound to be heard was the cracking ice, the cracks would go for miles.
We too sometimes passed one of the Queens or our sister ships (3) on what was then a busy shipping lane, if we could get up on deck in time to see one of them go steaming past, with whistles blowing and passengers and crew waving and shouting across the water. Great times,
I think I was just in time to be part of a maritime way of life which by the 1970s quickly disapeared. I would'nt have missed it for Quids.. Bakes.

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Cambodge
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posted 06-16-2000 01:05 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My ten francs worth:

My wife and I had the opportunity to make a East-to-West crossing on "France" in 1969 when returning from service in SE Asia.

I took the US Govt-authorized miserly "y-class" air allowance, and just about doubled it supplementing it out of my own pocket, so we could travel in the greatest luxury I had ever encountered in CGT-Premier Classe!

The food, the wines, the level of service, the little bars (who remembers "Club Atlantique?), the quality and size of the cabins, (I could go on but why bother?)

The "Chambord" resturant was said to have been rated as "Michelin four stars if it would ever stand still!"

The menu - ah think of those before days cholesterol was invented.

And the fascinating movers and shakers whom we met at the bar and at dinner.

OK, I's a snob, but I can reminisce can't I?

The late Al Capp once said on the Jack Paar show, while reminiscing about the ship. "Not everyone can be a millionaire, but anyone who travels First Class on the France will be treated as one."

True - sigh.

[This message has been edited by Cambodge (edited 06-16-2000).]


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Justine
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posted 06-16-2000 02:58 PM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What fascinating stories. I hope you have saved all your pictures and that you tell these stories to your grandchildren. I was raised in a setting where no-one new anything about ships and as soon as I learned to read, an old neighbour gave me all his maritime books. I spend years reading and staring at all the pictures of the ocean liners. While everyone laughed at my reading habits, I developed a love of ships that was the greatest gift I was ever given.

Justine


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ctf
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posted 06-17-2000 06:24 PM      Profile for ctf   Email ctf   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Baker, this is an interesting view "from inside". It would be very nice if you would like to tell us about the life of crew members in such vessels. Seamen often complain about life in passenger vessels, (tiny accomodations, need to be in constant vigilance, few free time)- they prefer other types of commercial ships, like cargo ships.
Was such a life a rule also in ocean liners?

I tried to find the Ivernia, but I found the first one only (15000 tons, 1900-17). If you sailed onboard other ocean liners, don't hesitate to tell us your experience from them, our ears are wide open.

Cambodge, would you tell us your impression by the spartan furniture of the France? By 1969 the Atlantic ferry was on its demise, but I hear that the France exceptionally had always a substantial number of passengers on its voyages. Was it true on your voyage, too?


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Baker
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posted 06-17-2000 08:58 PM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ctf,
I can state that on the 3 liners that I worked on had reasonable to great accomadation, it was all according to the age of the vessel, The Iverniia, Franconia/
Fedor Shalyapin. Was only 6years old when I joined, we(the catering/ stewards crew ) had 6 berth cabins,clean linen supplied weekly with bars of soap and free company matches
our Gloryhole Steward made our bunks for us daily and was well tipped at the end of the voyage, the showers, etc were nice and new and clean. We worked daily, 6am to 9pm.with breakes in the day between serving up the meals to the stewards for the double seatings at meal times. Whilst at sea NO days off, of course. Because the Ivy was on the North Atlantic we did'nt have a pool etc, it was to rough and cold most of the time, but later she was refitted for cruising and those facilites were installed and she was renamed Franconia. In 1962/3.
On our SPARE time we would go to the Pig,"Pig and Whistle" and have a beer, play our music on tape recorders, record players were no good on a rolling ship. The trips were only 6 days from Southhampton to Montreal, we ran a bus service with our 3 sister ships, two from Southampton and two out of Liverpool.
Unlike ships on longer voyages we didnt have a venue for movies, or of course a swimming pool, as we did on the then new Oriana,
On her, we were air conditioned had two berth cabins,our own pool on the fore deck and a new movie in the Pig most nights, sleep we did'nt get much of but when you are 20years old its surprising what you can do.
ctf
I hope this has given you some idea of what it was like then in the 60s, I realise it was much much rougher than that ealier on.
Baker


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Cambodge
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posted 06-18-2000 09:10 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ctf:
I had no impression of "spartan furniture" on "France," - "au contraire!" Much of it, as I recall was of contemporary design, which did not mean overstuffed, wicker, and other furniture types I had noted on "Flandre" and "Queen Mary."

Sleek, modern, and comfortable was my general impression. This was in keeping with the overal decor of this beautiful vessel.


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ctf
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posted 06-18-2000 06:13 PM      Profile for ctf   Email ctf   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Baker and Cambodge, thanks a lot!

Baker, I had the chance to see the Ivernia as the Fedor Shalyapin. She looked then as the unquestioned sovereign of the port. Her gigantic bow and monumental bridge disclosed a ship that knew how to fight successively with the waves! She was sold to the Russians for a miniscule 1 million GBP. Hard times for ships with soul...

The Oriana was a revolutionary design. And the amenities for the crew that you described tend to confirm it. I believe that few ships of the mighty nineteens incorporate such a degree of innovation in their design as she did in her times. If the Canberra predicted somehow the megaliners of today, the Oriana remains still unique in ship history, still waiting for her "children" to materialize.

Cambodge, you gave the answer that I waited a passenger of the France would give. I have been bored of reading descriptions of writers of today of that gracious liner stressing how spartan or sterile her accomodations were, compared only to those of the SS United States. This just shows the look of a modern man, far in time to the event. The ship was built in the sixties, and as I have seen in photographs, her accomodations fix splendidly with her age. A passenger of hers would have the impression, I suppose, of a magnificent contemporary design that would do credit to her and justify the pride of France and President De Gaulle.

Again, many thanks to both!


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