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There has always been one lingering dreamof mine, to have been old enough to havecrossed on any of the grand liners of theearly 20th century. Such as The Queens,Normandie,Aquitania,the German trio,big U,Rex,Conti Di Savoia,and many others.
I would sure like to hear any sea storiesabout crossings that anyone has made.
there is also no intention on my part foranyone to give away their age.(just kidding)
Thanks much, kbozman
So was it really boering for you?
Like myself, there are many others whomissed the most wonderful part of ourmaritime history, the great liners and theopportunity to sail on them.
kbozman
I sure do remember those well-worn leatherchairs. What a great ship the SS NieuwAmsterdam was!!! I loved the Grand Hall andthe dining room too......wonderfully bigcabins too.You're one of the few who has mentioned theold Maasdam.....small, rocky, but nice decorfor the time. I sailed her twin the oldRyndam too. My parents liked French Line alot so we also traveled on Liberte and theIle-de-France a few times...those werevery grand ships.....as well as the Flandre.These are good memories!!!!
Please tell us more! What was it really like on a real Ocean Liner - were the passengers and crew very different to people today?
Thanks for the wonderful story, it soundslike you had a interesting time (to say the least) on your crossing. Some of the storiesI have heard and read have really been fascinating! I am 53 yrs old,grew upwith the great liners, studied them,visitedthem,and even sneaked onboard a couple,butnever had a oppurtunity to sail until Aug99 on the Norway,when she crossed what mighthave been her last crossing. (East to West)
As a avid maritime memorabilia collector,I spent a lot of my time buying anything Icould from both the Norway, and her formerincarnation as the fabled France. I alsoenjoyed my conversations with maritimehistorian John Maxtone. He has been on many acrossing and can really tell a story.
I am so thankful that we chose this croosingbecause it was so fascinating. We sailed fromSouthhampton from the Cunard pier (where theQE 2 docks, we then had a rendevous withthe new Norwegian Sky on her maiden voyage.At this time we stopped dead in the waterand watched the Norwegian Sky do circlesaround us. You haven't see anything until youare mid ocean on a liner and then watch another one do 360's around you!!!
From there we sailed on to see the solareclipse,although it was partly obscured, itwas fascinating to witness. We then sailed on to Ireland and had a good time.
The most moving and memorable thing that happened to my family and myself, was when theCaptain performed a memorial ceromony overthe Titanic grave sight. The coordinatesmay not have been right on (as some say)but the fact that he took the time to slow the ship and have the memorial service meanta lot to those of us who remember.
And to top it off, just a day out of New YorkIt was early in the morning and I heard a ships whistle in the background. When the Norway replied I knew that something was up.
Fortunately for my family and I, we were onthe Olympic deck right next to a door.We ran out and there she was in all of herglory, the QE 2 passing about 1000 ydsoff our port side. Needless to say we wereso excited that we were filming in ourunderware! We filmed and we video'd thewhole splended thing. Boy, what a spectacleships passing,whistles blowing, peoplerunning around,and oh yea,us in our scivvys.
As we sailed into New York habour, and underthe Narrows we watched a beautiful sunriseover the city,what a sight to behold!!
If there was ever something that I did right,it was to book that crossing, because there will never be another one like it.
kbozman.
Thank you by heart for giving us the chance to transfer ourselves to those great times!
My wife and I had the opportunity to make a East-to-West crossing on "France" in 1969 when returning from service in SE Asia.
I took the US Govt-authorized miserly "y-class" air allowance, and just about doubled it supplementing it out of my own pocket, so we could travel in the greatest luxury I had ever encountered in CGT-Premier Classe!
The food, the wines, the level of service, the little bars (who remembers "Club Atlantique?), the quality and size of the cabins, (I could go on but why bother?)
The "Chambord" resturant was said to have been rated as "Michelin four stars if it would ever stand still!"
The menu - ah think of those before days cholesterol was invented.
And the fascinating movers and shakers whom we met at the bar and at dinner.
OK, I's a snob, but I can reminisce can't I?
The late Al Capp once said on the Jack Paar show, while reminiscing about the ship. "Not everyone can be a millionaire, but anyone who travels First Class on the France will be treated as one."
True - sigh.
[This message has been edited by Cambodge (edited 06-16-2000).]
Justine
I tried to find the Ivernia, but I found the first one only (15000 tons, 1900-17). If you sailed onboard other ocean liners, don't hesitate to tell us your experience from them, our ears are wide open.
Cambodge, would you tell us your impression by the spartan furniture of the France? By 1969 the Atlantic ferry was on its demise, but I hear that the France exceptionally had always a substantial number of passengers on its voyages. Was it true on your voyage, too?
Sleek, modern, and comfortable was my general impression. This was in keeping with the overal decor of this beautiful vessel.
Baker, I had the chance to see the Ivernia as the Fedor Shalyapin. She looked then as the unquestioned sovereign of the port. Her gigantic bow and monumental bridge disclosed a ship that knew how to fight successively with the waves! She was sold to the Russians for a miniscule 1 million GBP. Hard times for ships with soul...
The Oriana was a revolutionary design. And the amenities for the crew that you described tend to confirm it. I believe that few ships of the mighty nineteens incorporate such a degree of innovation in their design as she did in her times. If the Canberra predicted somehow the megaliners of today, the Oriana remains still unique in ship history, still waiting for her "children" to materialize.
Cambodge, you gave the answer that I waited a passenger of the France would give. I have been bored of reading descriptions of writers of today of that gracious liner stressing how spartan or sterile her accomodations were, compared only to those of the SS United States. This just shows the look of a modern man, far in time to the event. The ship was built in the sixties, and as I have seen in photographs, her accomodations fix splendidly with her age. A passenger of hers would have the impression, I suppose, of a magnificent contemporary design that would do credit to her and justify the pride of France and President De Gaulle.
Again, many thanks to both!
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