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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-01-2000 01:49 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
James Cameron's Titanic movie contained some historical inaccuracies. Any takers?
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Paddy
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posted 06-01-2000 03:06 PM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There weren't actually any passengers caller Jack Dawson or Rose deWitt Bukater?

Only joking, of course as e have already discovered, Bruce ismay was in Rose's stateroom. And of course, the dining room seating arrangements were somewhat different.
LOL.

Paddy.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 06-01-2000 05:14 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The movie also did not acknowledge the fact that a number of the passengers had reported seeing another ship's lights in the distance, lights belonging to what is now believed to have been the Leyland liner Californian. In the hearings that followed, the vessel's captain was questioned as to why, if he saw flares fired in the distance, did he not come to the rescue. Of course, these may not be inaccuracies, but simply oversights or omissions due to the fact that, let's face it, it's a long movie.

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Terry
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posted 06-01-2000 05:51 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In one scene in the lifeboats an officer is seen using a small electric torch (Flashlight US) these were not yet available in 1912. One thing though the Welin Davits used were made for the film by the same firm that made the originals.

Terry


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-01-2000 06:11 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was in fact a Jack Dawson, he'd buried in Newfoundland...I think. I understand that it was just a coincidence that he had the same name as the films charater. This was not found out to after the film was made.

Yes, you are right about the flashlight, the 'cell' (battery) had not been invented then! James Cameron knew this, but when asked he said "I had to light the scene somehow".

There are more errors...


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gizmo
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posted 06-02-2000 09:26 AM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rose had a beautifull necklace on at dinner. She left to go "jump off the ship" She is missing the necklace in this scene.
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posted 06-02-2000 10:41 AM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They didnt show fingers as "fuc* u" that time?


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posted 06-02-2000 12:28 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Peter P....Yes you're right, I was disappointed with that gester Rose made.

As the ship was sinking the funnels were all lit up...Titanic didn't have big spot lights shining up at the stacks like on many modern ships. The funnels would have been dark, except for the reflection from the lights shining onto the decks.

The Near-mis with the New York just as she was leaving the Southampton dock was not depicted. I think that would have been exciting to see.


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posted 06-02-2000 01:13 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The scene where she is running through the ship, looking for tools to free Jack with. She finds the ax at the fire station, and uses the hose to break the glass. The glass only partly shatters. But in the next scene, the glass is gone!

The scene where Jack is playing cards in some Southampton pub. You can see TITANIC in the distance, but it looks fake, too "perfect".

And the second class passengers were all but ignored in this film.

IMHO, NOT the masterpiece Cameron likes to think it is...


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Terry
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posted 06-02-2000 03:34 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm

I've watched the video again but can't come up with anything definite.

One thing, Rose and Jack shown entering the hold where the beautiful old automobile is being stored through a door in the watertight bulkhead. Such doors didn't exist.

If you look very hard at the begininng during the Southampton dock scene you can just make out the South Western Hotel on the skyline. They must have used an old photograph somehow, because it's accurate down to the time ball on the top of the building.

Terry


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-02-2000 04:27 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dolphins! They show 'Pacific' Dolphins dancing off the bow of the Titanic. Unfortunately, she was crossing the ATLANTIC!

I still think it's a great film. I feel in love with Kate Winslett too (But don't tell my wife!) The scenes of the ship still take my breath away! Many of the historical errors (Dolphins, Flashlight etc) were in fact not so much errors, but artistic licence.

The earlier Titanic film 'A Night To Remember' was a lower-tech. film, but still very good - and you don't have to endure a love story.


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posted 06-02-2000 04:36 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..as I recall, the exterior set of the Titanic in Southampton was built in Mexico, full size! They only built one side of the ship to save money, but on occasions the film image was shown mirror image style,so to give the appearence of both a port and starboard view.

All the actors had two costumes one with the buttons on the right, and one with them on the left. The crew had two hats one which said 'White Star Line', and the the other had it printed backwards.

(Picture borrowed from: www.titanicmovie.com )

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Terry
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posted 06-02-2000 06:15 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The photographs taken by the soon-to-be-jesuit Father Browne include one showing the two storey boarding platform. His photograph shows quite clearly that passengers were using the lower gangplank connecting with C or Shelter Deck rather than the one shown in Malcolm's posted picture which is connecting to B or Bridge Deck.

I hope that's not too anarakish !!

Terry


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-03-2000 01:15 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Terry, Anoarak's keep you warm and dry. We've all got them here!

Once again, Cameron probably thought that having the passengers using the upper walkway was more visually exciting!

It one scene in the film a little boy plays with a 'spinning top' on the deck of the Titanic. This was inspired by one of Father Brown's photograph's, showing the same.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-04-2000 09:06 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gizmo, you said: "Rose had a beautifull necklace on at dinner. She left to go "jump off the ship" She is missing the necklace in this scene.

In this scene, time has meant to elapse between the meal and Rose running to jump off the ship. She had removed the necklance and let her hair down...hmmm


Don't do it Rose! Have a cup of tea with me in my cabin, instead.

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Rex
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posted 06-19-2000 01:08 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One more thing....the scene that shows the passengers singing is inaccurate. "For Those In Peril of the Sea" was sung by the SECOND CLASS passengers in their lounge/dining room. I am certain Walter Lord mentions this in his book...
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posted 06-19-2000 01:32 PM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One more thing , when Murdoch sees the iceberg he orders to go to starboard but he really means go to port because the ship gets damages on starboard.

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Cunardcoll
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posted 06-19-2000 01:36 PM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And about jack's game in the pub , there was no pub there that could have such a view on Titanic , the closest pub was at dockgate 4 in southampton , they are still there.

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posted 06-19-2000 04:05 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cunardcoll,

Actually, Murdoch gave the order to have wheel put to starboard - not turn the ship to starboard. On Titanic and other ships of the era, the steering mechanism turned the rudder in the opposite direction of the wheel on the bridge. Therefore when the wheel was put hard to starboard the effect was that the rudder was angled to port. This would cause the ship to turn to port which is what Titanic did as she approached the iceberg.

Ironically, had the lookouts not seen the iceberg until much later, or the bridge not responded as quickly, the ship likely would have rammed the iceberg head-on and only suffered damage to a limited number of forward compartments. While the damage would have been significant it would likely not have been enough to sink the ship.

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posted 06-19-2000 04:11 PM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know , they had better rammed the iceberg than avoid it.
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Terry
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posted 06-19-2000 04:28 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe

I think the wheel still turned the rudder in the right direction. What was different was the HELM orders. This was a throwback to sailing ship days when Helm a'starboard ment the bow turned to port. With a wheel the helmsman responded to Helm a'starboard by turninh the wheel to port and hence the bow turned to port.

Terry


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posted 07-04-2000 10:47 AM      Profile for Eileen59   Email Eileen59   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are other errors in the movie. For instance, on the so called last day Titanic ever saw daylight, Rose is with Cal, Mr. Andrews and her mother walking on the boat deck in a blue, daytime dress. She then approaches Jack at the front of the ship wearing the same dress. She then wears the same dress when they return to the cabin for Jack to do the sketch of her. However, when Jack asks her about the whereabouts of Cal, she replies he will be occupied as long as the brandy and cigars hold out. This implies that the time frame is after dinner-yet in first class she would have changed to more formal wear for dinner.

Also, what did Rose do after the sinking that allowed her to pilot a plane, etc. without selling the necklace? And, if she was an actress in the theatre, no one noticed that Rose Dawson had a striking resemblance to Rose deWitt Bukater?


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Paddy
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Ooooh, Eileen! Very Sharp! LOL.

Paddy.


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Terri Lee
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posted 07-04-2000 08:20 PM      Profile for Terri Lee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one thing that stood out to me as completely wrong was.....Rose and Jack on deck at the bow of the ship with their arms stretched out,remember? Rose does not have a coat on over her dress and Jack only has his short jacket on.....the time is not even the middle of April!!!!It is b****y freezing on deck sailing the North Atlantic in April!

When I emigrated to Canada from Southampton in 1965 it was late May and hardly anyone went on deck due to the bitterly cold winds.
Of course,it didn't make me feel any warmer with having small ice-floes hitting the side of the ship!!!!!!Scary!!

So Mr.Cameron must excuse my chortle at the thought of Rose on deck like that with not even a scarf around her bare neck!!
(and she certainly would never use her finger that way....that gesture wasn't started until many,many years later.)

BTW the real Jack Dawson was a member of the crew and not a passenger.

TL


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posted 07-04-2000 08:59 PM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have always wondered how Rose kept her shoes on through everything.
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