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tg_lindo
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posted 06-28-2000 05:03 PM      Profile for tg_lindo   Email tg_lindo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In today's San Francisco Chronicle, under headline FINAL VOYAGE, we learn that unless Oceanic Steamship Co., of Walnut Creek, CA, comes up with $750,000 by the end of the week, the famous ex-Matson liner will be sold for scrap.

Oceanic had plans to return the liner to the San Francisco waterfront and convert it to a classy 300 room hotel with period decor. Apparently the Port Commission was also excited by the project. (There is much tourist-related development along the Embarcadero lately. Pac Bell baseball stadium is the grandest example.)

Sadly, the rising prices for scrap coming out of yards in India and Bangladesh, coupled with a discontinuation of finacial backing with no other party stepping into the void, led to the present situation.

Says officer Christopher Kyte of Oceanic," You would think that in the Bay Area, with all those dot-com zillionaires, someone would step forward."

Says the Chronicle, "By the end of the week, the Lurline will be towed out to sea on a 101 day voyage into oblivion."


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Vaccaro
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posted 06-28-2000 06:22 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you tg_lindo.

A sad day, almost ineluctable for almost all the old liners (and this one was very old, 1932)but hopes to see this classic one saved at Frisco was really a good thing.
After all, we can at least try to save few little ones no?
A sad day...


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Ğraikar
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posted 06-29-2000 05:09 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really liked the Lurline, this is a very sad day for her and ship lovers. There web page at http://sslurline.com has no new news and the looks of it they may never have news if Lurline is towed out to sea on a 101 day voyage into oblivion. You can find more about the Lurline / Britanis (Britanis was her last well known name) at http://www.maritimematters.com/britanis.html

This ship survived the scrappers once maybe she can do it again !


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vulcania
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posted 06-29-2000 09:10 PM      Profile for vulcania   Email vulcania   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I MUST be getting VERY OLD...as a Matson Liner I still think of her as the MATSONIA, ex MONTEREY and of the LURLINE of 1932 (maiden voyage in 1933, of course) as the eventual ELLINIS...I worked in both of them as Chandris ships... Great old girls but their time had come...
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Ğraikar
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posted 06-30-2000 12:35 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its reported that a tug has arrived to take her to the breakers in Pakistan, this makes me mad and sad that a company said they would save her and use her like the Queen Mary but all they gave us was faults hope right to the last minute.
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tg_lindo
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posted 06-30-2000 06:10 PM      Profile for tg_lindo   Email tg_lindo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure "false hopes" is a phrase I'd use. From what I've read, I believe the intentions were sincere to carry out the hotel conversion. Money simply ran out. These kinds of projects are considered risky compared to most hotel developments, says Oceanic Steamship. It requires the investor to "think outside the box" (quoted from newspaper).

But please understand, I'm doubly disappointed because I hate to see a lovely vessel go to the breakers and I was excited to see Lurline against the skyline of my hometown.


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Ğraikar
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posted 06-30-2000 09:45 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I followed there news reports and they could have tried to raise more money but from my view they sat down and people came to them and when investors back out they did nothing.. I know im hard on them but I thought this ship was scrapped and then they came and what I was reading from many news papers they said she was saved even said by the company that tried to save her in more or less words but out of the blue I read she is to be towed and scrapped the next day of reading this new article !.. I really liked this ship and out of all the ships I seen scrapped this hits hard. When I had a web page about this ship I felt I was apart of history when news came of her ("dodge from the cutters around 98 - 99" i put it in my page then other pages talked about her and her history but my page went off and the pages that told her history just put a small part about her scrapping AFTER i E-mailed them all (yesterday)... I just want to know if any one cares about the ship with many names MONTEREY-MATSONIA-LURLINE-BRITANIS-BELOFIN 1 ? I guess the last word i can say that some one told me about a scrapped ship is

( her company gone, her fittings sold, her nameless hull rusted, all that's left is her keel plate to be lifted like when laid, all to be melted for a shiny can to hold beans).

I can only hope that after I open a can of beans that it was once the Britanis or Canberra, but again I do not recycle....

Ğraikar


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Baker
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posted 06-30-2000 11:31 PM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take heart guys she may become, the tallest building in Pakistan.
"He says with a sad heart",
Yet another part of ones life disappears, and it's not the same anymore. Pity things don't stay the same, alas. I've just been looking at the demise of Canberra on the web, and wish to put the clock back also believe me, I saw her come into Southampton on her maiden voyage and now she is a pile of scrap on a beach in a land far from her home..
Sad times.B

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-01-2000 10:09 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Draikar,

You have a lot of nerve casting stones at the the officers of the Oceanic Group when you have absolutely NO idea what has taken place and the vast sums of money the Oceanic Group expended; much of it personal funds; to pay for the upkeep, insurance and berthing fees for the ship.

This project was the cause of many sleepless nights, numerous and expensive business trips and endless meetings with investors, enviromental authorities, designers and the SFO Port Commission.

Truth be told, and this befuddles me to no end, it seems that investors would much rather invest their money in "dot-coms" which will most likely fail than a hotel project in SFO, where you can't get a hotel room much less a reasonably priced one. A year ago, there were investors on the hook but legal snafus slowed the project down.

So, before you criticize those involved with the project and accuse them of being lazy or complacent, I suggest you try raising millions upon millions of dollars for a project such as this! Exactly what have YOU done to try and save this ship??

--Tim


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Ğraikar
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posted 07-01-2000 12:09 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Timber what you said is true, it just makes me mad that it ends like this on the eve of so many nice new ships coming out.
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-01-2000 12:31 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Draikar,

It has upset a lot of people, not to mention those involved with the project.

This ship consumed a lot of time, effort and money and now it seems all for naught. Mr Kyte and I had many, many discussions and in his opinion and mine, was a "sure thing". We most recently discussed this over dinner and it's mind boggling that no one wants to fund a hotel project in SFO. You cant get a hotel room in that city and on the rare occasion you can, it costs an arm and a leg to stay at.

Suffice it to say that all invlved in the project are extremely upset at the outcome and this is indeed a very sad and tragic turn of events.

--Tim


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Ğraikar
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posted 07-03-2000 03:48 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
July 3, 2000 at 10am Eastern Time Lurline/Monterey/Britanis made her final departure from Tampa. Britanis will be making a dangerous tow round Cape of Good Hope in hurricane season to India, its odd that they would try to tow her because the idea of her sinking is very real (her ship mate SS Australis former SS America sunk after being towed in Hurricane water like waves). After she rounds the Cape, several scrap merchants will begin bidding as she approaches India and Pakistan.

If plans for her conversion to a hotel in San Francisco progress, there is still about 30 days to get the ship turned around... Lets hope that happens. Here is a photo of her....


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NAL
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posted 07-04-2000 10:50 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Draikar...

Remember it's Monterey, Matsonia, Lurline,
Britanis.....in that order....


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Ğraikar
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posted 07-04-2000 05:51 PM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You forgot BELOFIN-1, I did not forget the order its just not many people know about her name was Matsonia after WW2. Her name in order is MONTEREY-MATSONIA-LURLINE-BRITANIS-BELOFIN 1

Here is some facts about her, i do not know if they are correct

Built 1931 Bethlehem Shipbuilding, Quincy
Tonnage 18,665
Dimensions 632 x 79 ft (192.6 x 24.2m)
Propulsion Turbines/Twin Screw
Speed 20 Knots
Service 1932-41 Matson Line - MONTEREY
1941-46 US Maritime Commission - Troopship
1957-63 Matson Lines - MATSONIA
1963-70 Matson Lines - LURLINE
1970-97 Chandris Lines - BRITANIS

Capacity 1932-41 701 (Total) 472 (First) 229 (Tourist)
1941-42 2950 (Troopship)
1942-46 3841 (Troopship)
1957-71 761 (First Class only)
1971-97 1655 (One Class)

Ğraikar


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constantcruiser
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posted 07-21-2000 02:19 PM      Profile for constantcruiser   Email constantcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope they raise enough money to save the lurline.I'd like to see her.Does anyon have interior pictures of her?
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constantcruiser
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posted 07-21-2000 02:33 PM      Profile for constantcruiser   Email constantcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
sorry my last post was outdated.Maybe the metal will be used to build a new cruise ship.
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tg_lindo
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posted 07-21-2000 06:13 PM      Profile for tg_lindo   Email tg_lindo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Constantcruiser,

try starting here http://www.maritimematters.com/matsonliners2.html


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Ğraikar
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posted 07-24-2000 01:35 AM      Profile for Ğraikar   Email Ğraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a grate page about this ship and the plan to save her and restore her at http://sslurline.com/
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constantcruiser
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posted 07-24-2000 08:56 PM      Profile for constantcruiser   Email constantcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you for the link tg_lindo.
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Aussie1
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posted 07-24-2000 09:24 PM      Profile for Aussie1   Email Aussie1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Vulcania,very interesting to hear you worked on Britanis and Ellinis during their Chandris years, could you share some of your stories about those days? As a 12 year old I sailed on Ellinis (ex Lurline) from Australia to Britain in 1974. For a young boy the trip on a real liner was magical, although I do remember lots of soot deposited on her after decks each day. The ship had a damaged turbine and we ambled along at a leisurly 14 knots instead of the normal 20. After our arrival in Britain the ship sailed for Rotterdam where she received replacement turbines from the third sister Homeric(ex Matsonia) which was being broken up in Taiwan. It is said that Britanis (ex Monterey and second Lurline.) ended up with parts from each of her sisters. Now I would say that is a great example to the kids of what sharing is all about. I really hope Britanis is saved.

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