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BigUFan
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posted 06-29-2000 09:03 AM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the latest event to be run in honor of the old girl, to run over the course of the next week:


WHAT: "Bring Home the United States" will be the theme of a booth hosted by The SS United States Foundation during the International Naval Review 2000 www.inr2000.navy.mil on the waterfront in New York City. The maritime festival is estimated to attract over 5 million visitors.

WHERE: In front of the Intrepid Aircraft Carrier at pier 84 on Manhattan's
historic 'ocean liner row'.

WHEN: July 2 - 9.

WHO: Officers, members and volunteers of the foundation will man the booth (Robert Hudson Westover* founding chairman of the SS United States Foundation, and foundation President Dan Trachtenberg will be attending INR 2000, Friday July 7th and Saturday, July 8th and will be available for interviews). Graphic Art Designer Jeff Kwait will provide all signage, graphics and displays.

WHY: The SS United States is considered an engineering marvel and still
holds the distinction of being the fastest moving object of its size ever built. She was a common sight for New Yorkers in the 1950s and '60s and being the third largest ship in the world, the United States was a
showstopper every time she sailed into port.

The SS United States Foundation is a tax exempt non profit organization that is seeking to have Congress enact legislation to protect the ship which is currently moored in Philadelphia harbor. The ship is considered by the National Register of Historic Places as one of the most significant historic
sights in the nation and is one of only several thousand sites across the country to have ever been designated as having Compelling National Significance by the Register.

Because of thirty years of neglect, the SS United States is in danger of losing its historic designation. The foundation wants to obtain the ship from its current owner and have it turned into a museum along Manhattan's waterfront as a dramatic reminder of the city's rich Transatlantic heritage.
The foundation has been working with New York City officials and developers for the past three years to arrange the return of the storied ocean liner and former national flagship.

*Mr. Westover has received international recognition for his efforts to bring awareness to the plight of the historic ship. He lives and works in Washington DC.

P.S. I just pledged my availability on the 4th of July from 10 AM to 2 PM to help out in this effort. Stop by if you have the chance.

Joe (from PwC)


P.P.S. I spoke to Bob Westover to sign up and from what he says, Pier 84 is very likely the old US Lines terminal. Ironic, isn't it?

[This message has been edited by BigUFan (edited 06-29-2000).]


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BigUFan
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posted 07-05-2000 09:22 AM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I must express my dismay at the almost complete lack of attention we received on Tuesday. It was so bad that we closed up early. I had all of one person express any real interest where we had a conversation about the ship. Unfortunately, all he did was take a flyer with him; we didn't get him to join. I can only hope he'll think about it. I mean, come on, basic membership is only $10.

I think the problem lies in the fact that the event was attended largely by tourists who had not lived through the Big U's career in the first place, and also by people who had lived through it, but have forgotten what this ship means to the country. It was very sad to see this. But let it be said that at least I stood there proud, proud to be associated with this cause.

Incidentally, what I did see of Op Sail was absolutely beautiful. Seeing these majestic sailing ships live is a completely different experience than watching them on TV.


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vulcania
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posted 07-05-2000 10:29 AM      Profile for vulcania   Email vulcania   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, Pier 84 was American Export Line's pier, and they shared it with Italian Line until about 1964-65 when Italian Line moved to Pier 90 (a longer pier and a move made necessary by the 902 ft. length of the giant twins "Mike" and "Ralph"...as the trade used to call the MICHELANGELO and RAFFAELLO. After World War II US Lines took over the old Hamburg American/North German Lloyd Pier 86 at the foot of W. 46th St. Of course US Lines had a couple of piers further south - the old IMM "Chelsea piers", but after 1945 only their cargo ships used those.
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Vaccaro
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posted 07-05-2000 11:09 AM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BigUFan,

I really know these words are not enough to save a loved ship, especially this master piece which is UNITED STATES.
So many hopes, so many gesticulations, so many disappointments, so much money and work necessary and since the begining of her inactivity, so many memories worn away for the common one,...and so much years too.
But by this board, even if they are words only, I just wanted to say I really value and encourage your fight, mobilization, search of informations about the future of this great ship and to share them with us, as your emotions too.
Yes, this is not enough, and it won't be something concrete to save her, but know few peoples share the same urge than your, even if they are not American.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-05-2000 03:24 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BigUfan, I'm not surprised that the public showed little interest in the big 'U'. Most people would rather browse through a 'Carnival Cruise Line' brochure, and plan their next vacation, than read about he history of a great Ocean Liner.

I've always been a little bit emotional about machines. It all started when I was a child and I saw the world's biggest Hovercraft, the SRN4, roar up the beach at Ramsgate, UK. My Dad tells me that it made my eyes bulged out! Then there was the Saturn Five launches, the Lunar module landings and the Apollo splash-down on TV.

I don't understand why people spend so much time worshipping, restoring, protecting and display artefacts like paintings, china and jewellery? Theses are inanimate objects - they don't do anything, they never did, apart from look nice (well, in some cases). Yet they can let as masterpiece like the SS United States just rust away?

The great Ocean Liners are part of our history and culture. The great ships have made social and political statements, they have been the catalyst for international business, they have created nations by facilitating massive immigration, they have played a part in global tourism, they have even won wars and they have given us some of the worlds greatest disasters. Not only were they technically breathtaking, they were floating galleries of fine architecture and art.

I'm not an American, but I still think that it is a crying shame to let the SS United States in her present condition. She deserves more! After all the American Public does not let the Empires State Building or the Statue of Liberty crumble away? America preserved the Queen Mary - how about your own ship now?



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BigUFan
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posted 07-06-2000 11:04 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All your comments of support are greatly appreciated. We just have to keep hoping something will turn for the better. As long as she still exists, there will always be hope.
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Baker
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posted 07-07-2000 12:51 AM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,
I have to agree with you on your feelings for MACHINERY, Ships are to me a living thing full of life, a town on the water if you like, they stay with us for maybe 30years or so then we drag them on a beach and cut them up for scrap, regardless of the good service they have given us.
How many ship lovers will shed a tear when in a few years,when the Oriana and Millemium etc. end up with that same destiny
I was on the Queen Mary in 1991, and tried to get into places we are not allowed in, because it is like a time capsual from my youth in there,some things have not been touched since her arriving in America. You can bring back memories and practicly hear the noises and voices of the thousands of people that have been there. Its that "hum" that makes a ship 'alive'.
Some people think we must be daft, well perhaps we are, there's plenty of us.

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Barryboat
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posted 07-08-2000 02:05 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I was younger, I was emotionally charged by seeing the Queen Mary in Long Beach, I still enjoy seeing her. The Big U has been a very special project for me too. I would like to see the Big U in service again, in fact I'm doing my part to create a new life for this great ship. I have come a long way and soon I hope to make an announcement on the progress of our efforts to reactivate the Big U. My conceptual plans, however do not correspond with the SS United Stated Preservation Association. They will not support our efforts to reactivate this ship. They want to make her into a museum with no original interior fittings, no lifeboats, no davits, no interior. They just want to slap some paint on her and make her into some sort of memorial. I want to see her at sea again. It's not fiction, it can happen.


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Rex
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posted 07-08-2000 04:13 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barryboat, I know what you mean. When I was stationed in San Diego, sometimes I would make impromptu trips up to Long Beach, just so I could spend ALL DAY on the QUEEN MARY. A person could NEVER get tired of her. But everytime I tried to get a hotel room on board, they were always booked. I would have been happy enough to sleep in a lifeboat, but I dont think they would have allowed that.

As for the BIG U (and the U is for UNUSED), the City of Philadelphia is SO shortsighted, she is just waiting to be used as a boatel/maritime museum, a la QUEEN MARY. Our new mayor is more interested in instant results, as opposed to investing time and loving care on a project.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-09-2000 05:09 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Guys, I don't wish to sound anti-American, because I'm not, but if your country can put a man on the moon - numerous times, surely renovating an ocean liner can't be so difficult?
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Rex
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posted 07-10-2000 01:23 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, Malcolm...

I understand what you are saying. Just understand, US culture is comparatively young compared to most European countries, and this is just my opinion, but I think as a result, we don't have that sense of history that your country has...look how in Venice how everyone has pitched in to restore the old monuments and frescos in that wonderful city - in America, you have to practically snatch the money out of our pockets to do something like that. The same theory applies to ocean liners as well. I mean, I think the European cruise market appreciates the older vessels like, for example, the Germans have done wonders with the ALBATROS and MAXIM GORKY, and the market there, as far as I can see, seems to appreciate the fact that they ARE older ships, and look how long HAL held on to the ROTTERDAM, I am certain that had they not been owned by Carnival, she would still be sailing with them...were they in the US market, they would be bargain basement ships (I mean, look how Premier markets the OCEANIC and SEABREEZE - as cut-rate family ships, not caring about their illustrious histories as ocean liners, just the fact that they are cheap and paid for and they don't have to invest as much to keep them running...). I think Yankees (myself and some other American ship lovers here on this BB excepted) like everything to be new and bright and shiny...I could be wrong, though...that's how it seems to me...

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Barryboat
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posted 07-11-2000 01:41 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those BIG U Fans, you may want to check out a new section of my website which has some interesting and unique photos of the SS UNITED STATES which I took in 1979 and in 1987. http://www.mywebkit.com/globalcruisecenters/BigUIntro
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BigUFan
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posted 07-15-2000 04:16 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rex, I agree, and certainly Malcolm, I would not accuse you of being anti-American. The truth is, and I've said this before in postings made under my former identity, and Rex, you even allude to it as well, that it seems to me that American society is a wastrel society, that we don't really care about an object when it gets old. It apparently needs to be new and cutting edge, or forget it. So once an object becomes advanced in age, no matter what its significance may be, or even that it still might be useful, it must be destroyed. It's a terrible mentality, but unfortunately it's a fact of life here.
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Rex
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posted 07-30-2000 10:15 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ladies and gentlemen...one more thing, and then I will shut up for the night...here we are, on the eve of the Republican National COnvention. In spite of the fact that the City of Philadelphia has had a lot of new hotel construction, we are still somewhat short of beds.

Does anyone realize how invaluable the BIG U would have been if she had been made into a hotel in time for the convention? We knew a while ago the RNC would be held here - and no one, I mean no one, had the foresight to see how useful she would have been right now. I love my city, but the powers that be are parochial, intolerant and extremely short-sighted.

And the Big U just continues to sit there, a floating litter box for the birds...


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WFGibbs
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posted 08-01-2000 11:14 AM      Profile for WFGibbs   Email WFGibbs   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BigUFan, I posted some more photos of the ssUnited States at "What does your screen name mean Part II".
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posted 05-26-2006 09:47 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And speaking of the Big U here is a post that shows how far we have come with the Big U.
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posted 05-26-2006 09:47 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And speaking of the Big U here is a post that shows how far we have come with the Big U.
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