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Beezo
First Class Passenger
Member # 1505

posted 08-15-2000 12:01 AM

Has anynoe heard anything about the NORWAY. Is STAR CRUISES still going to keep her with NCL?

Beezo

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 08-15-2000 10:32 AM

Yes NCL is keeping the NORWAY, however she will be doing shorter cruises.

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Gripsholm
First Class Passenger
Member # 1185

posted 08-15-2000 02:15 PM

I have just returned from a cruise on S/S Norway. I think she is well maintained - some worn carpets etc but that is only cosmetics (and I can also confirm that sprinklers are installed on all decks.

Onboard I spoke to many crew-members and also some passengers interested in the ship and its history. According to a Norwegian gentleman - that seemed to know everything about the ship - the plan is to keep her until 2009.

Good news or only just another rumour? It is interesting that none of the crew members had any input.

Regards
Gripsholm

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Beezo
First Class Passenger
Member # 1505

posted 08-15-2000 02:29 PM

yes, i was on the NORWAY in april. she is my favorite ship. i hope she has many more years to come. the captain said that the rate she is going, she can go for another 40 years! personally, i dont think NCL will keep her THAT long!

Beezo

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Gripsholm
First Class Passenger
Member # 1185

posted 08-16-2000 09:46 AM

Beezo,
The first officer mentioned that the Norway is often cruising at about 10-12 knots. I suppose that means less preassure on her steam turbines as well as lower fuel-consumption. The first officer also told me that she is rather "heavy on fuel" compared to a modern diesel-electric system. But I suppose it is out of the question to re-engine her.

On the other hand it would be interesting to know her fuel-consumption at such a low speed as 10-12 knots and compare it to a modern ship to see the difference.

Regards
Gripsholm

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JP
First Class Passenger
Member # 1373

posted 08-16-2000 10:33 AM

If you look at the Norway's statistics at www.ncl.com, you'll notice that they say 20 knots and 2 steam turbines. In the good old days, there were 4 turbines and over 30 knots. When NCL first had the Norway, they did a lot of work on the propulsion systems to improve fuel economy.

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nzmike
First Class Passenger
Member # 1308

posted 08-16-2000 09:21 PM

When the Norway was originally built she had four steam turbines each powering one propeller. This was necessary to achieve the speeds required as an Atlantic liner. On her trials she achieved 35 knots - very fast even compared to the Queens Mary and Elizabeth. When NCL purchased the ship in 1979, the two outboard propellers (furthest from the rudder) were removed and the shaft tunnels plated over. This reduced the ship to twin screw, however she still managed an amazing 25 knots on her trials in 1980 following rebuild. In the late 1980's (I think) her steam powered generating plant was replaced with diesels, meaning that the only steam powered units on board are the main engines. This reduced fuel consumption significantly, however steam powered ships still cost more to run than diesels. Running at lower speeds does result in signficantly less fuel consumption for a steam turbine powered ship, however most diesl powered ships need to run at close to maximum service speed as diesels do not respond well to running at very low revs - they need to be close to full power for maximum efficiency. That is why Carnival switched to diesel electric as they could run the ships at lower speeds on short cruises without stressing the machinery. I would doubt that Norway would be re-engined given her age, but running at 12 knots would reduce fuel consumption significantly. She could never hope to match modern ships, which often only use about 150 tonnes of fuel in 24 hours at sea - compare that to the old Atlantic Queens Mary and Elizabeth which used close to 1000 tonnes!

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Beezo
First Class Passenger
Member # 1505

posted 08-16-2000 10:13 PM

i was on the NORWAY in april. the cruising speed for the ship is currently 18 knots when we were traveling staight with our 2 days at sea. for 1 night we went approx. 10 because st. Maarten ans St. John/St. Thomas are so close. but when we were regularly cruising, it was 18 knots. Also, the Matra'D was telling us that when hurricane LENNY was interfering with one of the cruises. they brought the ship up to 25 knots and had 5 days at sea.

Beezo

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EricCruises-RBCCL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1396

posted 08-17-2000 01:57 PM

Ounce as the France, she attained a speed of 40-43 knots. It was never published though. This was arround SSUS time. She at one time broke US's record. Just...never published.

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Norway
First Class Passenger
Member # 1279

posted 08-17-2000 03:03 PM

Are you sure Eric? She was built for a topspeed some over 30 at full power. Because of the hull shape she must have doubled her power(160 000 hp) just to get a few knots extra. I´m not saying I dont belive you, but it would be interesting to hear how and when they did this. It will also be interesting to hear what Starcruises will do with her. The Norwegian owners planed to keep her to 2005, before Star came into the picture. I hope we can still cruise on her in 2015 or 2025.
What if they could cange here old steam turbines with new powerfull diesel- electric motors, that could give her back her old speed, and go on longer cruises at less time than today?

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nzmike
First Class Passenger
Member # 1308

posted 08-17-2000 08:43 PM

Eric - this sounds interesting but I'd be keen to know how they did it! She only got to 35 knots on trials (which is supposedly at maximum power). The United States had an estimayed 240,000shp to reach her supposed maxium of around 42-43 knots - for the France to do it with 160,000shp qould be quite an achievement! Do you have any more info on this?

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Ðraikar
First Class Passenger
Member # 1153

posted 08-18-2000 05:31 PM

I herd that SS France got to the same speed as SS United States or near that speed in her early life by crew members but no one can prove it and many say its a folk tale, I think she did and many other people say so but we may never know.I do know that SS France was the second fastest liner and can still go fast if she needed to even after all that work done on her from SS France to SS Norway but not as fast as before.

Ðraikar

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EricCruises-RBCCL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1396

posted 08-25-2000 02:43 PM

I agree with you Draikar

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