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BigUFan
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posted 05-09-2001 05:36 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a recent message from the SS United States Foundation which indicates that there's still some hope.....

Legislation is now pending in Congress to save the SS United States! At this time there are no further details. Once more information is known I will post it. What you can do right now is contact your Congressman and ask them to support this legislation. Those of you with Representatives in the New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania delegations should rally all your friends and family to write, call or e-mail their support. Time is of the essence in this campaign. Go for it!

Robert Hudson Westover
Chairman
SS United States Foundation
Washington DC


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posted 05-09-2001 06:42 PM      Profile for Fanatic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was in Philadelphia a few weeks ago, and there is nothing more beautiful than crossing that one bridge and seeing that beautiful vessel - still shimmering in her loveliness at that distance - docked there. She must be preserved, whether back in service or as a perpetual historical site, restored to whatever dignified capacity. I shall tell my PA and NJ friends to contact their congressmen.

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Cambodge
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posted 05-10-2001 01:39 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Legislation is now pending in Congress to save the SS United States! At this time there are no further details. Once more information is known I will post it. What you can do right now is contact your Congressman and ask them to support this legislation......SS United States Foundation Washington DC[/QB]

Not as a practicing lobbyist, but as one who has done so from time to time .. with mixed results.. You are going about this all wrong!

FIRST: Is this a proposed piece of legislation; a scheduled committee hearing, or what?
SECONDLY: It is imperative that some title or number be attached to this action. NOTHING is gained by enlisting the support of a legislator when there is nothing to indicate what he or she is being asked to support. You are firing a round prematurely, in attempting to get the support of a Rep. or Senator without teling him/her EXACTLY he or she is being asked to do. Support, co-sponsor, testify in favor of ...whatever.

In short the cause is good, excellent in fact, but I am not going to use my chits was my legislators until I know what they are asked to support. Museum? New MARAD appropriation? Conversion to Hospital Ship (my favorite)? Fast-deployment ship for strike forces in the new DoD universe?

In short, What?

The Devil may be in the details, but do not stirr up the Hill until you have more facts on hand!!

Sorry- rest of the world, this is the way we do things in the USA - forgive the parochialism, but it is Our Ship and back when, my taxes help pay for it!


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BigUFan
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posted 05-11-2001 02:23 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Valid points to be sure. Unfortunately, as you can see from the message I received from the Foundation, there are no concrete details at this time. I even looked on the website. At the very least, even I find this to be a possible cry of "wolf!" yet again, and mostly because there have been so many cries of "wolf!" in the past. However, because there is so much grassroots support for saving the old girl, I have yet to give up hope.

As to just what they intend to do with her, I suspect it would be along the lines of museum, due to the enthusiasm expressed in the message. I believe this is the case because the Foundation's goal is to have the ship restored to at least that capacity.

As always, if I find out anything else, it will be posted to this forum.

[ 05-11-2001: Message edited by: BigUFan ]


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nzmike
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posted 05-13-2001 09:15 PM      Profile for nzmike   Email nzmike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that you are perhaps being a little hard on the US Foundation. They have put in vast, vast amounts of work and given enormous amounts of effort into lobbying for support for the SS US, with a budget of almost nothing. Restoring the US in any role, hell even just keeping her tied up, costs a fortune. The only way that they will ever get anywhere is to get the ship into the public eye and drum up as many potential means of support as they can. I don't know the ins and outs of lobbying so I can't comment on that, but I think that their efforts represent the best that can be done to keep the ship afloat. The number of potential uses are huge and by keeping their options open they are allowing a future owner or operator to have the benefit of those options. Whether it will ever work remains to be seen.
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desirod7
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posted 05-14-2001 08:02 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I attended the SSUS Foundation meeting in Phila last June. Over 100 people showed up from all over the USA.

IT was a good turnout when you consider the only advertising and communications were over the internet with no budget.

I forsee battles when and if the funding goes thru on how to restore her. Some will want to replicate her as original, [Is it worth spending money on rebuilding her 3rd class cabins] others will want to keep her profile, but modernise her as a cruise ship, [I would hate to see her Costa Riviera-ised] another wants her as a hospital ship, and another wants her as a stationary museum-hotel in NY harbor ala Queen Mary.

Had the SSUS been any other ship, she would have gone to the breakers by now.

Maybe Carnival, RCCL, or NCL can have a SSUS
fundraiser cruise


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Cambodge
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posted 05-14-2001 11:09 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I certainly give high marks to the Foundation. I just want to see a focused effort, supported by competent analyses, of the best courses for the future, rather than a general "save the" without a specific menu of options as "Save for what potential use?."

For example, one component of the "Save" forces should examine the new roles and missions of the US Dept of Defense.

More than two decades ago, under the leadership of the late ADM Zumwaldt, the US Navy was examining roles and missions of an "80-knot Navy." We looked at Hovercraft, Hydrofoils, Surface effect ships, (remember the USSR "wing in ground-effect" monster now showing up on the Discovery Channel?), and other wondrous technologies.

The upshot of all applications for USN use, were that by the time the various candidate platforms carried enough fuel for nominal missions, at expected ranges from US bases they would have to have had minimal and ineffective payloads.

I did a parallel mission analysis using the Big U in both fast deployment missions and hospital ship roles. I

The ship was patently superior, and more cost-effective, but was insufficiently "high-tech" (yes even then!)to ring the chimes of our USN sponsors.

Remember, the "miles per gallon" factor which would determine the ship's operational viability did not matter in these roles. Speed did. This, of course, was the rationale for the performance specs in the first place.

In 2001, with a new DoD taking a new look at roles and missions, the ability to "project force," from home bases could warrant a revisiting of the use of the Big U in these operations.

NB I also wrote mission scenarios in which I compared projecting forces overseas,(in sufficient mass to be viable), with C-5s, C-17s, and the "Sea Land" fast containerships. The latter were not only winners, they became part of the USN logistic-support fleet!

Bottom line, support the foundation with discussions of realistic roles and missions for Big U.


And, if such are not technically feasible, get support from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. They played a role in the re-birth of the Delta Queen, and could do such again in support of Big U.

The defense rests!

[ 05-14-2001: Message edited by: Cambodge ]


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