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Topic: Stretch a ship?!!!

titanicsteve
First Class Passenger
Member # 2142

posted 10-23-2001 04:44 AM

Here is an extract from NCL describing the Norwegian Majesty : ......The Norwegian Majesty has always been stylish and sophisticated. Now she's also been s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d - adding 110 feet that's filled with new staterooms, a second pool and dining room, a new casino, another outdoor bar, NCL's hallmark Le Bistro........... HOW THE HECK TO YOU "strecth" a ship? Any comments?

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Norway
First Class Passenger
Member # 1279

posted 10-23-2001 06:44 AM

Cut the ship in two parts, put in a new part. They have done the same with Norwegian Dream and her sister ship(N Wind?)
You can see pictures of the opertation on bremerhaven werft-website(sorry, cant remember the url now)

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: Norway ]

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Renegade4
First Class Passenger
Member # 392

posted 10-23-2001 06:47 AM

You cut the ship in half, move the two halves apart, insert a new section between the two halves and weld the three sections back together as a single unit.

I have some pics of this being done to the NCL Dream(ward) somewhere.

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sympatico
First Class Passenger
Member # 797

posted 10-23-2001 07:46 AM

The Westerdam was cut in half and 130ft. (I think) added. We were on her in 1989 when she sailed back to the shipyards in Germany. While on board, the CD had all the plans and showed them to us. I have a video showing part of this stretch. It is incredible how they do it.
Trivia question - how do they check to make sure all the wires, etc. are cut through after the cut is made??????? Learned this from the Chief Engineer on board the ship.

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 10-23-2001 08:23 AM

Hi...here in British columbia we have a large ferry fleet. One class of 7 ships built back in the early '60s was cut in half and lengthened by 84 feet 10 years later...then 10 years after that 4 of them were sjiced in half horizontally and another full deck inserted. I don't think that has been done anywhere else.
...peter

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Paddy
First Class Passenger
Member # 357

posted 10-23-2001 12:32 PM

Carousel and Sundream (ex. RCI Nordic Prince and Song of Norway) were the first two ships to undergo this transformation, with plans to stretch the 3rd sister Sun Viking scrapped in favour of building Song of America in the late 1970s. Any other cruise ships?

Paddy.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 10-23-2001 02:16 PM

The three RVL original ships, RV Sky, Sea, and Star were all stretched back in the 1980's in Germany, I think at Bremerhaven.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 10-23-2001 02:22 PM

The 3 Royal Viking sisters [Now Black Watch, Hyundai Kumgang*, and Norwegian Star] have all been stretched from just under 22grt up to just over 28grt.

* Someone posted not so long ago that this ship was undergoing a refurb in Malta? having been bought by the chap who started Orient lines originally. Anyone any further news?

Pam

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 10-23-2001 02:59 PM

Pam...that's the Hyundai Pungak ex Island Princess that Gerry Herrod, who started both Ocean Cruise and Orient Line, has supposedly bought and has in Malta for refit.
...peter

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 10-23-2001 03:08 PM

Thanks Peter, got my bloomers in a twist there

Wonder what's happening with Kumgang then?

Pam

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Jekyll
First Class Passenger
Member # 1878

posted 10-23-2001 03:56 PM

I remember when the 3 RVL ships were stretched - RVL was kind enough to send me a series of B&W pics of the before during and after - it really is fascinating.

Even more fun when your walking around a ship that has been stretched to see if you can find the seam between the parts.

There are also pics of the Song of Norway and Nordic Prince being stretched in a book published by RCCL a few years back celebrating its history.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-23-2001 03:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by titanicsteve:
THE HECK TO YOU "strecth" a ship? Any comments?

There used to be several great pictures on the NCL web site, of the streching of 'Dreamward' and 'Windward' to make the Norwegian Dream and Norwegian Wind. They may well be there still, somewhere or a cruisetalker may have copies? They were great photos! (Renegade4 please post them or Email them to Joe, for posting)

The problem is that they add extra a section with lots of extra cabins, but do not always extend the public rooms. Thus you end up with a more crowded ship. The Berlitz guide says this very thing about these two ships!

Lots of ships have been streched! It cheaper than building a new ship!

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 10-23-2001 05:17 PM

Malcolm I would have suspected you to have had a couple of tugs secured, stern and forward, pulling in opposite directions!

Jekyll, do you still have any of those prints from RVL? and able to scan them? Would be interesting to see a couple.

Pam

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 10-23-2001 07:11 PM

Pam..as long as you don't get it on your shoulder!!!
The Kumgang was reported to have been returned to it's owners Star Cruises on the 10th.Oct.
The Pongnae is the ex Sun Viking.
I sure hope they do a proper job of getting the smell of gimchee out of them.
...peter

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claudio
First Class Passenger
Member # 1214

posted 10-24-2001 09:04 AM

i wonder what happenened to the midship that was built for costa in the uk. i believe that the shipyard has gone broke because costa never went ahead with the deal. also correct me if iam wrong but wasnt peter deilman,s berlin stretched as well

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-24-2001 10:43 AM

Does anyone have the NCL pictures of the streching of 'Dreamward' and 'Windward' to make the Norwegian Dream and Norwegian Wind?

please post them or Email them to Joe, for posting.

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rd77
First Class Passenger
Member # 2117

posted 10-24-2001 11:09 AM

Claudio,

The BERLIN was indeed stretched as well, pretty soon after her construction. Thanks for reminding me of that one. To summarize, I think these are the cruise ships that have undergone stretch jobs:

-SONG OF NORWAY
-NORDIC PRINCE
-BERLIN
-ROYAL VIKING SEA, STAR, SKY
-NORWEGIAN DREAM, WIND, MAJESTY
-WESTERDAM
-One might include COSTA ALLEGRA as well, since she was stretched during conversion from a container ship to a cruise ship.

Are there any ships I have left out?

Cheers

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 10-24-2001 11:25 AM

Claudio...that midship section is still sitting at Birkenhead.

rd77...if you include the Costa Allegra ex Annie Johnson, then there's also the sistership Costa Marina ex Axel Johnson.
...peter

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AJL
First Class Passenger
Member # 956

posted 10-24-2001 12:27 PM

gohaze,

The Axel Johnson wasn't lengthened when she was converted into Costa Marina, her length has always been 174,5 metres.

The Annie Johnson instead was lengthened when converted into Costa Allegra, original length was 175,2 metres and now it's 187,7 m.

AJL

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 10-24-2001 04:19 PM

AJL...I always thought they were sisterships but not quite it seems. It makes one wonder why when they did such a big conversion that they didn't make them the same and make life easier all around with bookings etc.
...peter

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-24-2001 04:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm:
Does anyone have the NCL pictures of the streching of 'Dreamward' and 'Windward' to make the Norwegian Dream and Norwegian Wind?
please post them or Email them to Joe, for posting.

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bmajor
First Class Passenger
Member # 1754

posted 10-24-2001 04:59 PM

From the MeyerWerft site ...
the Westerdam and the King of Scandinavia being stretched.

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 10-24-2001 06:21 PM

Questions:

Does stretching a ship require

Larger engines for the extra weight?

Increase speed due to longer hull length?

Extra weight increase draft?

Need extra elecric, distillery capacity, sewage treatment?

compromise or improve stability?

any answers?

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-25-2001 06:06 AM

I recall the Chief Engineer of the Black watch telling me that they 'streched' the ship but he has to simply get more out of the existing original engines! Although she is approx 30 years old, unlike the QE2,there have been no £1.5 million refits, with new engines, for that ship!

I understand that other ships have had there engines/generators etc. upgradrd? I think it depends how big the stretch is?

Any photographs, yet?

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cruisemole
First Class Passenger
Member # 2459

posted 10-25-2001 06:17 AM

The stretched ship will be a bit slower. It would not be economic to stretch the ship if the engines had to be changed. As this would cost not only money but also TIME. An important thing about stretching is that the ship isnt out of service for very long.

I dont know about the extra plant required. I would assume that if new eqp. was needed, they would try if at all possible to install it in the lower decks of the new section.

Stability & draft would be affected amd remedial measures necessary. The Draft might actually lessen if the new section is less dense than the rest of the ship.

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