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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-17-2003 07:04 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Europeans will be familiar with the very successful low-cost Airline, easyJet. But soon we may have easyCruise?

Cruise as you choose from easyJet founder
easyJet entrepreneur Stelios Haji-Ioannou is making a special appearance at the Maritime Hotel Conference to outline his plans for flexible budget cruising from £29 per night.

The easyCruise brand could be launched by Easter 2004 and the company is currently searching for ships. The concept embraces low-cost airline innovations such as on-line reservations and early booking discounts. Prices would be berth-only, with extra charges for meals and beverages as consumed.

In a further break from the package tradition, there will be no defined cruise length so passengers will be able to choose where they join and leave the ship subject to availability. Itineraries will cover popular Mediterranean ports in the summer and the Caribbean in winter.

Mr Haji-Ioannou is already active in shipping through Stelmar Tankers, which he founded in 1992 some three years before easyJet's debut.

Source: cruiseferryex.com


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Onno
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posted 04-17-2003 08:37 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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DAMBROSI
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posted 04-17-2003 08:49 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey Onno, what is the name of that ship????? And what was it named before??? And what odd colors. Thank you for the info.
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Britanis
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posted 04-17-2003 09:02 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks good Onno, that's exactly how I pictured easyCruises livery. It will be interesting to see how this thing takes off. If easyJet and Europcar are any indication, Carnival UK may have some real competition on their hands.
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cruiseny
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posted 04-17-2003 09:43 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I made an easyCruise ship once, when NORWEGIAN DAWN came out. On another board we were discussing why they chose such "interesting" hull colors and someone said it was to attract the attention of people on shore and make them call up NCL and book a cruise (like a floating billboard). That of course made me think of easyJet who in earlier years used to have their telephone number in large letters (same as their web address now) on the side of the airplane. I quickly Photoshopped (how long before that "verb" gets into the dictionary?) a N. DAWN rendering into easyCruises livery. Onno's is much better, as one would expect !

For Dambrosi - the ship is presently called THE EMPRESS, she was originally NCL's very first SUNWARD (their first ship) and a long line of other things that I'm too lazy to go through . In the past few years she had been doing cruises out of Southeast Asia but since has been laid-up.

More on her here, though if you want a full history you'll really have to go here (Swedish only, sorry - translated words from the same site may help).

She's a nice little ship with a very significant history though she has mainly be forgotten. Hope ship finds work soon.

Incidentally, it is reported that easyCruises wants to start up next year with up to 13 ships! Now, where on earth are they going to get a whole fleet of 13 ships in one shot? I don't think they could have one newbuild done by next summer, let alone 13, and a widely varied fleet of second/third/fourth-hand ships really does not suit the "easy" strategy!

I personally would not dislike the idea so much if they did not call it a "cruise" - I imagine anyone going expecting what would normally be called a "cruise" would be sorely disappointed! Perhaps something like "easyShips" (like easyJet!) would be a better name?

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Waynaro
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posted 04-17-2003 10:51 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
EasyCruises could always finished the Regent Sky hull?! That should be quick to finish.
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CGT
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posted 04-17-2003 10:58 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was opposed to this, but I hate flying, so now I like it, because essentially, it's a ferry service, so I can vacation on a Caribbean Island and not have to fly to get there or get back.

CGT

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claudio
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posted 04-18-2003 11:56 PM      Profile for claudio   Email claudio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
didnt a crowd called fugazy try that fare only concept on independence in the 70,s and charge extra for every thing it didnt really suceed, but yhen again with this free style dining and dining room extra charges and after all yopu end up paying for everyting else on board so maybe it might work after all dont know about the old ship they want to use though
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gpcruisedude
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posted 04-19-2003 01:10 AM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A very interesting concept indeed, But what ships would be used??? That is going to be quite interesting? The Empress looks good like that, but what other ships could be easy to cruise with?

Here are a few ships I think would work good for easy cruises: former Sun Viking,Seawind Crown,Empress,Apollon,Enchanted Isle,China Sea Discovery,Tropicana,Vergina Sky,Atlantis(exAegeon Star). Just a few list of many ships for sale! But hey stranger things have happened!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-19-2003 07:26 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gpcruisedude:
A very interesting concept indeed, But what ships would be used?

I read in a UK Newspaper that Stelios (EasyJet CEO) was looking for a fleet of 13 ships!

Can this be true?


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Britanis
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posted 04-19-2003 08:12 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
13 ships all at once! I never though it would be possible to break the expansion records set by Regency and Rennaisance, but that would do it! For this concept to work, wouldn't the ships all have to be identical, or at least nearly so? Fleet standardization is part of what made easyJet so sucessful. If Haji-Ioannou had tried just a decade or so earlier, he could have bought all of those ex-Soviet sisters. I guess he could still find 13 nearly identical ships if he looked at ferries from the 1960's or 70's, many of which have already been converted to cruising.

Stelios could also pick up some of the older ships Royal Olympia is discarding. Is Jason still around? She might be perfect.

(Picture from one of jeffrossatsea's alblums on this site. )


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gpcruisedude
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posted 04-19-2003 08:33 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To find 13 ships almost identical, I would go with former European Car ferries, as that is the only way he is going to get even close!! And that should not be too hard to do as their are many nearly identical cruise ferries on the market today!

If he was just a year or so earlier he could have picked up all 8 Renaissance ships or hey maybe he could get all the old NCL white ships back and They look close to the Empress, and even the Old Sun Princess! Their are alot of lines looking for buyers for their older ships!

But I think european car feries are the best bet!


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peterscooter
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posted 04-25-2003 05:44 AM      Profile for peterscooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has the Greek man gone mad !!? The concept to this EasyCruise sounds fantastic to the average cruising person. From the operational side of view, running a fleet of 13 ageing old scandinavian/uk/greek rust bucket ferries all ready laid up due to strict SOLAS (Safety of Life At Sea) regulations leaves me with a shiver down my spine.
There is a very good reason why there are a good amount of old ferries/cruise ships (if interested check out www.isp-usa.com for some real bargains!), and that is the huge costs in maintaining and operating them.
Being a Chief Navigation Officer on both cruise ships and ferries, I know the major problems involved in this trade and the costs invovled.
The back bone of the EASY group is keeping costs down to the bear minimum. This involves cheap labour for a start. You can garentee that the ships crew (captain through to deck boy) will be cheap foreign labour (well trained ?). Although maritime regulations are fairly strict, they are nothing to compare with the aviation industry.
As for the purchase of the 'R' Boats, I don,t think Stelios could afford to turn those beautiful apointed vessels into a Med/Caribbean ferry service !

I hope you prove me wrong Stelios.........I really do !!!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-25-2003 06:50 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by peterscooter:
Has the Greek man gone mad !!?

I take your point, but people said he was mad when he started easyjet and now the various national carriers of Europe are reeling from his success!

I think that there is plenty of room in the UK and European cruise market for expansion and innovation.

It will be interesting to see if his plans materialise and more to the point, work!


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Maasdam
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posted 05-19-2003 05:54 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think this plan will work. The price is low but you made a trip off 8 days with all the food extra it will be costly. I hope that the service will be better than the service provided by Easy Jet. And the crew more friendly than ther counter parts by the Airline. I don't think it wil work.
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cruiseny
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posted 05-19-2003 06:05 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The concept itself is terrible, but if Stelios is thinking of using a menagerie of 13 ageing, second/third/fourth-hand ferries, he is shooting himself in the foot!

It is not like running an airline... Yes, easyJet's first airplanes were not brand new... But ships are not built like airplanes (or at least not passenger ships). With airplanes, you could easily go out and buy 15 Boeing 737s as there are thousands of the things, and all of them are, comparitively alike (though even still not as much as you might think - but at least they are the same size and shape). With ships, you usually have two or three ships of the same type, which may have gone to different operators, been refitted, subjected to poor maintenance, laying-up in some backwater, and so on.

If he wants to seriously go ahead with this concept, he had ought to go to Poland, Croatia, South Korea or the like, where he can get, inexpensively, a fleet of IDENTICAL, modern vessels, that will not require costly maintenance upgrades, have labor-intensive designs, provide an inconsistent product, and so on.

Now, what he is apparently proposing may be in the time-honored tradition of Greek shipowners (a group of which he is already one), but the fact is:

1. Times are changing, and passengers will no longer accept "anything that floats", and
2. It flies in the face of his much-vaunted strategy, AND it does not even make economic sense; old ships like that will need to be constantly upgraded, and replaced (as most of their lifespan is finished), and will use more fuel, require more labor, and so on!

No, he had ought to come up with a modern, efficient design, one that fits his concept, and then shop around and find someplace to build it for him, cheaply, and in great volume. THEN perhaps it will not be so crazy!

Otherwise, he will simply be following the idea of so many ventures that have been driven out of the cruise business, and increasingly, the ferry business too, or at least driven to modernise...

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anthemius
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posted 05-23-2003 08:54 AM      Profile for anthemius   Author's Homepage   Email anthemius   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why shouldn't he buy some of the ships Meyer shipyard has built for PELNI (Indonesian Passenger Line)?
On other newsgroup I have heard they have teak-decks , o.k. that can be left out. They have linoleum floors easily cleaned an have been built in great numbers, so are reliable and no costs of developement need to be calculated. They at least look like a cruise ship when painted all-white, and not like a ferry.

Michael
Germany, looking for potential customers for the yard out of patriotic reasons...


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cruiseny
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posted 05-23-2003 10:55 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by anthemius:
Why shouldn't he buy some of the ships Meyer shipyard has built for PELNI (Indonesian Passenger Line)?

Well is PELNI looking to get rid of some?

I'm sure Meyer would be happy to build easyCruises some copies of these "Passengerships for Indonesia"... They could call them "Passengerships for Indonesia and easyCruise" now .

The 900-pax (in PELNI configuration, which would be different from easy's), 5,000 GRT (yes, a PSR of 5.5!) Type 1000 ships would be suited to them I think...

I don't think the easy ships will have real dormitories, nor will they have the equivalent of PELNI's first-class cabins... So they would probably wind up with a few less pax.

Even the especially attractive 14,000 GRT, 1,500-2,000 pax Type 2000 ships might be suitable...

If I find a decent image of a PELNI ship, perhaps I will try to do it up in easy orange ...


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