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posted 05-12-2003 08:53 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the Mobile Register

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By LEE DAVIDSON
Staff Reporter

GULFPORT -- A former cruise ship that brought gambling to coastal Mississippi before dockside casinos were legal recently sank off the coast of the Dominican Republic, ending a 61-year odyssey.

On March 16, as it plunged to its final resting place 7,500 feet under the Caribbean Sea,'s surface, so ended the journey of the Copa Casino, which was built in 1942 and launched nine years later.

The derelict cruise ship used to take nearly 1,000 travelers and cargo on routes from New York to Europe in its heyday in the 1950s, one former owner said.

It also spent time as a maritime school and was operated by a major cruise line in Greece, said Rick Carter, who owned the ship from 1989 until late last year.

The vessel survived World War II and its recent sinking derailed plans to crash it into a shoreline in India, where it would have been torn apart by hand for scrap.

In the late 1980s and early'90s, when the vessel was used as a floating casino, the 503-foot-long Copa had some 700 slot machines and 20 table games and three casino cocktail bars, Carter said.

Its name lives on in Gulfport at the Copa Casino, a barge-style operation open since last fall, said Marc Masher, a spokesman for the new Copa. The barge was once the home of Treasure Bay Tunica, but it had been vacant since the mid-1990s.

Masher said the new Copa is bigger and better than its predecessor -- with more than 1,200 slot and video poker machines and two restaurants. The barge is nearly 98,000 square feet, whereas the former cruise ship was about a third that size, he said.

The new Copa holds nearly 4,000 patrons, Carter said, and as of Thursday the company had gained permission from Gulfport to build a hotel on the site.

The new floating casino can't compete with the original Copa's life history.

The cruise ship was launched in Scheidam, Holland, in 1951 under the name Ryndam. It was operated by Holland America Lines, one of the world's largest cruise ship companies.

But before that, in 1942, Carter said, the ship's main plate and frame was built amidst the bombings and pillaging of World War II.

"It laid up just floating, waiting for the war to get over. It's one of the only vessels that survived the war -- it wasn't sunk or scrapped," Carter said.

In the'50s and'60s, Carter said, the vessel was based in New York and carried cargo and people on cruises across the Atlantic for Holland America.

In 1960, the vessel was one of a few first to bring cruises to Canada.

"By 1961, even budget travelers expected more luxury and ... Ryndam had a block of cabins amidships on main deck rebuilt with private shower and toilet, reducing tourist capacity to 822 berths. The first class lounge was extended on the starboard side adding a 'Gents' Corner bar," according to one published account.

At some point, the ship was put out of commission and it was used as a maritime school, Carter said. Carter said a dentist was married on the vessel during that phase. The dentist was said to have met his future wife through the schooling process.

In 1972, the vessel was sold to the Greek Epirotiki cruise company for $2.5 million, according to published reports.

Carter, a Gulfport resident, said he bought the vessel in 1989 for an undisclosed amount. Under Carter's direction, it called on the Port of Gulfport under the name The Pride of Mississippi. Passengers were taken on "cruises to nowhere," journeying about eight miles out to the Gulf of Mexico's international waters, where they could gamble.

In search of more gamblers, in the spring of 1989, the vessel spent some time making calls to the Port of Galveston in Texas. It underwent another name change, appropriately dubbed The Pride of Galveston for its brief travels to westward Gulf waters.

At this point, Carter and his co-owner and Gulfport friend Terry Green, sold their stock back to another co-owner, who declared bankruptcy.

Once the assets were liquidated, Green and Carter bought the vessel back, according to Carter. He said they brought it back to the Port of Gulfport, where it was given its final name -- Copa Casino, and traveled to places like Cozumel, Mexico.

Also in 1989, lobbyists began pushing Mississippi legislators to legalize dockside gambling. In 1992, the law passed allowing floating casinos to be docked at the port in Gulfport.

On Sept. 14, 1993, the Copa Casino opened dockside in Gulfport and became the seventh casino on the coast.

It remained docked there, out of commission, for about eight years. Carter said at one time he thought about sinking it off the Mississippi Gulf Coast to create a natural reef.

"The military was considering using it for target practice and it would have been great for the fishing industry, but it was too expensive," he said. He and his co-owner would have had to cover the $500,000 cost to sink it about 50 miles out of Biloxi in 280 feet of water, he said.

Last fall, the new Copa Casino barge opened to the public, which meant Carter had a limited amount of time to remove the original Copa.

Carter said he sold the vessel for $190,000 in December to a company in Louisiana. That group was responsible for hauling it out of Gulfport.

In January, the Louisiana group sold the vessel to a New York-based group for $500,000, he said. It is unclear who owned the ship when it left the Gulf Coast bound for India.

The vessel was towed out of the Port of Gulfport on Dec. 27, 2002. The next day it arrived in Mobile and was tied at the Alabama State Docks, according to Mobile's harbormaster. The ship stayed in Mobile until Jan. 28, 2003.

James Lyons, director of the Alabama State Docks, said he wasn't surprised the former cruise ship didn't complete its final voyage. He said the month that the vessel was docked in Mobile was a nervous time.

"We took it because it was going to be a couple of days, but they couldn't get it up in the water back to get it to Chickasaw, so we kind of got stuck (with it). They couldn't keep the water out of it," Lyons said.

"One day it was leaning one way and the next day the other way. I was holding my breath hoping it wouldn't sink," he added.

After that, it spent time at a privately owned shipyard in Mobile before beginning its 45-day voyage to India. It never made it out of the Caribbean Sea, instead tilting and sinking during daylight hours on March 16. It had been at sea two or three weeks, officials said.

Capt. David Carey, the Port of Mobile's harbormaster, said it was fortunate that the ship began to sink during the day, so that the towing vessel that pulled it could break away from the doomed ship before it submerged fully.

To Carter, the ship's descent into the Caribbean was a fitting end.

"I'm tickled," he said. "The one good thing about it is we had cleaned it up considerably. It wasn't a terrible pollutant. May she rest in peace."



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cruiseny
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posted 05-12-2003 10:22 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Old news, but a very interesting article. It sounds like her owner actually knew something about her history, which strikes me as a surprise, seeing what awful shape she got into under his operation!

I thought that she was owned by Princess (and later Sundance Cruises) founder Stan MacDonald though? Anyone know if he was ever actually involved in the ship, or was it just an error wherever I read it?


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posted 05-12-2003 10:56 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Cruise NY she was owned by Stanley McDonald
that I am sure of, it's just when? I think it was when she went bankrupt as Pride of Galveston, but not 100% sure!!

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posted 05-12-2003 11:06 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What was her name under Epirotiki?
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Michael534
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posted 05-12-2003 11:21 PM      Profile for Michael534   Email Michael534   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi,

Atlas. I have an old brochure somewhere. I will have to dig it up.

Michael534


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claudio
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posted 05-13-2003 07:38 AM      Profile for claudio   Email claudio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
how convenient that another cruise ship on its way to the breakers just happens to sink, how come when they are cruising around the carribean they are watertight and as soon as they become redundant they leak, i wonder what its insurance value was. When Sun Vista sank in singapore a couple of years ago the insurance company onl y paid out a small amount is this true???????
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posted 05-13-2003 08:36 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But I think she was built in 1951 and not 1941...correct me if I am wrong but I think I am right...
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posted 05-13-2003 08:57 AM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting, HAL used her for "cruises" across the Atlantic. Also, I beleive that her keel was laid down in 1942, but construction stopped during the war and resumed later in the decade. The article is misleading, as it claims she was afloat during the war, but launched in 1951! How can a ship be afloat if it hasn't been launched? Also, doesn't it usually take a year or more to outfit a ship after launching? How can the launch and the maiden voyage take place in the same year?
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cruiseny
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posted 05-13-2003 09:14 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Britanis:
Interesting, HAL used her for "cruises" across the Atlantic.

Note that isn't a direct quote though. I'd like to know if Mr. Carter actually used the word "cruises", or if the writer just screwed up!

quote:
The article is misleading, as it claims she was afloat during the war, but launched in 1951! How can a ship be afloat if it hasn't been launched?[/QB]

Good point!

I don't think construction was started before or during the war at all. Kludas has her laid-down in 1949.

Obviously this guy has got some of his information mixed up, but I'm still impressed that he knows something. Case of low expectations I guess ... I just didn't expect the owner of that ghastly thing (by the end, she didn't even look like a ship) to know or care about her history!


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posted 05-13-2003 12:47 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday I read in a Dutch maritime magazine that the sinking of the Copa (Ryndam) was no accident but planed. The article did not speak about her going to the scrapers but she was intended to sink and become an artificial reef.

As for the launching of Ryndam, I tought I look up her history in my books. It was definably after WW 2 it was on 17 December 1949 She was initially launched as the HAL freighter Dintelsdyk but HAL decided to finish her as a passengers ship and named the ship Ryndam. (that’s why the two sisters look a bit like freighters) She was officially handed over to HAL on 1951. The Ryndam was also the very first ship to carry the duff gray hull color with yellow golden band. July 16th 1951 she began her maiden voyage to New York where she arrived 9 days later. She had accommodations for 39 first class passengers and 854 tourist class passengers. In 1966 she sailed for the Europe Canada Linie (only her funnel “paint work” changed). Between 1967 and 1968 she briefly sailed for the Sheepvaartmaatshappij Trans-Oceaan between New York and Rotterdam under the name Waterman. After that she agin started sailing for HAL as the Ryndam. Her last Atlantic crossing was in May 1970. In 1972 the firm World Wide Cruises bought her and rebuild her into a cruise ship. She was named Atlas and cruised the Mediterranean until 1988. after her cruise career she was bought by the Pride Cruise Lines and renamed Pride of Mississippi, she was used as a casino ship. In 1991 she was sold (again) and named Pride of Calveston and also used as casino ship. Since then she got the name Copa and took the role as a permanent flouting casino. And the rest is as they say history.

Best, Onno


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posted 05-13-2003 05:18 PM      Profile for VDK   Email VDK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was my understanding of her original intended purpose - that being a frieghter. Her single screw plant is somewhat indictative of that. My family sail on here during a return trip to the Netherlands in the 60s. I will see if I can find some photo of her back then.
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posted 05-26-2003 12:39 AM      Profile for Ryndam-Buddy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sailed on the SS Ryndam from February, 1971 through May, 1971. I was a student on World Campus Afloat which was administered by Chapman College. It was the last voyage of the Ryndam for WCA. The Ryndam was to be replaced by the Queen Elizabeth but it was mysteriously destroyed in Hong Kong harbor. The wreck of the Queen was featured in a James Bond movie.

Anyway, the voyage was a world cruise sailing from Los Angeles in February, 1971 and tying up in New York in May, 1971 after making 15 ports-of-call in Asia and Africa. Classes were held while at sea and visits to historical and cultural sites occupied much of our in-port time. The Dutch officers and Phillipine crew were very friendly.

What an amazing trip! What a wonderful ship! She will be missed.


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posted 06-03-2003 04:36 PM      Profile for BIGU52        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The old "sink on the way to the scrappers" routine.
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posted 06-04-2003 01:21 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello, all.
Just to say I saw the belching ssAtlas many years ago.
She looked like an attempt to copy the ssFrance rear arches, and even the bow had a curve!
Imagine my surprisse to read about her history, and lunching on her sister-ship a few wekks later!
Yes, Stefen Batory was still cruising, but never got them together.
louy,

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posted 03-10-2015 06:43 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Mr. Davidson's article, he did make a few errors. She was launched in Schiedam, not Scheidam. The company was Holland-America Line at the time, not Lines. Ryndam, along with her identical twin Maasdam, were used for line voyages between Rotterdam and NYC. They were used for occasional cruises in mid winter. Maasdam also was put on the Rotterdam Eastern Canada service at some point. Both were known to have nicely appointed public rooms, and were terrific rollers at sea. Both had unique funnels. They were wafer thin seen front to back.
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