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Topic: Replica Titanic

Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 09-12-2003 05:10 PM

So how is that full sized replica Titanic coming along, then?

If those all stories that were circulating a few years ago, were true, she should be about finished!

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-12-2003 06:28 PM

Yeah I was wondering myself. They did want to bring the ship in service in 2012 on the hundred birthday of Titanic. Technically there is still time to start construction (considering how fast QM2 came to reality) but practically?!!!

Maybe they are waiting for a Titanic movie sequel to get more funding.

Best, Onno

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 09-13-2003 05:00 AM

I think that QM2 have paved the way for more liners "copycats".
Wether the new "Titanic" will be next?
Will she be allowed to sail from Southampton?
Will she allowed to sail at all?
But as QM2 architect said, even a "Normandie2"is considered, and that is quite interesting.
The problem for a T remake will be the funnels.
Remember, the aft one was a dummy, so they will have to work hard to get the exhaust right!
sslewis, anticipating

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-13-2003 06:15 AM

I did some digging-up and found this plan of that modern Titanic rebuild.

I wonder if she needs to have the same underwater part as the original (90 years old) under water part. It does look strange to see Titanic with a bulbous bow and I think this type of bulbous bow even is too low in the water to be efficient. Perhaps a droplet shaped bow like Normandie would be better on a Titanic hull design. Since it would be a fun cruise ship she could also have a flat bottomed hull.

I only heard of this idea once a few years ago so I could not say how it looks today or even if it had a little bit of reality to it. But to me it simply was a idea drawn quickly over an existing titanic plan.

Best, Onno

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-13-2003 06:24 AM

If I had to do a retro Titanic I probably would have placed all lifeboats/tenders in side her hull (like Canberra) since she would not need a large passenger capacity that space could be used and mostly it would do that to respect the builders original idea of a non cluttered and open top deck. The Olympic class was never intended with a full row of lifeboat stations (we all know the out come of that) Now technology can construct a open top deck so why not do that. I think nowadays regulations don’t allow the lifeboats to be that high on the ship anyway.

Onno

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JOE
First Class Passenger
Member # 3708

posted 09-13-2003 10:09 AM

Onno, can you do a Normandie 3 Replica, but add some stuff from your Big U Replica like Aft Pools, wind Screens, BHalcony Cabins in the superstructure, and mayne Two Funnels in order to add a Magradome Pool?

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 09-13-2003 10:59 AM

If someone was to do a retro Titanic with the lifeboats inset...then it wouldn't be the Titanic. Other ships have been built that far exceed the original designer's ideas for Titanic. A Replica Titanic should be as near to the original (from the exterior) as possible. I even think the new Titanic should have a hull exactly like the original except for the third center screw. (No bulbous bow).

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-13-2003 11:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JOE:
Onno, can you do a Normandie 3 Replica

Sorry JOE I haven’t got the time to do your suggestion, too busy with work and school.

Onno

[ 09-13-2003: Message edited by: Onno ]

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-13-2003 11:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Barryboat:
If someone was to do a retro Titanic with the lifeboats inset...then it wouldn't be the Titanic.

I do not agree with you Barryboat, of course you could approach the idea of a replica as an exact copy of the original but then I would say copy it into every detail (no sloppy job) the other approach to a replica is, that behind every object there is an essence. If this general idea is intact or honoured then you could have an exact replica of that essence.

Mostly there are more out comes of a design but one essence that is the same in every out come, it means there is not only one design that qualifies as right and all else as wrong.

Anyway I’m not fond at all about replicas, in my opinion the original had its own change and moment in time. (Unless something can be learned, which I doubt is the case with a replica of Titanic) If there ought to be a Titanic replica I would prefer the two above mentioned approaches and not this squeezing in between original and what is possible or regulation 90 years later. It tents to look like a carnival ride.

Best, Onno

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
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posted 09-13-2003 12:23 PM

If any ship is to be replicated, it sould be the Canberra. Her exterior, upper grade cabins and public rooms are perfect. However, there should be state of the art mechanical systems, and all cabins have private bath.

Today's cruise passengers would love Titanic's steerage accomodations. I do not believe her hull design would have the stability required of a modern ship.

People's living patterns are different now than back in 1912. I agree with Onno, a replicated Titanic is just a theme park ride.

On recreating the Normandie: It would cost a billion dollars. Maybe RCL in competition with the QMII can create a 21st century descendant.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 09-13-2003 01:30 PM

I'd like to see a replica Titanic built on land!

I'd like to walk on the deck and through the public rooms - a king of living museum! I can't see the point (or the profit) in trying to build a replica ship. That's why they will never build one.

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saf28
First Class Passenger
Member # 3824

posted 09-17-2003 08:02 PM

I think people are making it more complitcated then it needs to be. You can build a 46,000 ton ship name it olympic 2(just for the people that dont wanna sail on a ship named Titanic). Put rotational dining in it so everyone gets a taste of first class. Sail to nassau, market the heck outta it. Bam! its just like anyother ship.
Just the fact that its a close relative to Titanic has to at least attract enough business to pay for its initial investment. Its just like any other ship, but where as most companys have to try and get the word out. Everyone knows about the titanic. Its a huge gimmick, rather then the "the fun ships" or "like no vacation on earth" you can sail the sister ship to titanic.
The biggest trouble is now with the economy people are unwilling to subject themselves to a risky venture. But I think if the QM2 works out, perhaps some talk will begin about another titanic. Whoever builds it is gonna have a money maker for years, it doesnt even have to sail people can just walk around on her...for a fee....anyway just the thoughts of a cornell hotelie.
Later
Scott

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lebelty
First Class Passenger
Member # 3855

posted 09-17-2003 08:30 PM

Is this what you meant Malcolm:
Titanic Resort and Hotel
or more like:
Titanic Resort and Casino

tyler

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PHILPKH923
First Class Passenger
Member # 4064

posted 09-18-2003 07:41 AM

I would never set foot on a Titanic replica let alone sail on one.

There is something sinister and ominous about ships that have meet an unseemly end-and then there are all those lost souls wandering about the decks.

I suppose this is irrational, but just the thought os a replica makes my body shudder and the blood run cold.

...Ken

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 09-18-2003 10:30 AM

No vessel sunk / scrapt must be rebuilt. Because the are history and some are a legend like the Titanic, Normandie, Nieuw Amsterdam. Its over and it must be over. I never sail a/b a rebuilt legend and now way a/b the Titanic a doomed name.

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Allen Rubin
Just Boarded
Member # 4154

posted 09-18-2003 04:12 PM

I am the Owner Developer of Titanic Resort, Las Vegas(www.TitanicResort.com). I am happy to announce that the Titanic Hotel & Casino will soon be coming to BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND. Together with Harland & Wolff, the original builders of Titanic, we will be redeveloping Belfast, where the original Berth of the Titanic resides. Detail about this venture can be seen at Titanic Quarter, www.Titanic-Quarter.com.

All aspects of the Titanic's past and majestic remembrance will be considered. The memorializing of the Queen Of The Ocean will be respectfully planned and erected. Those who perished on the fateful voyage will be honored.

We hope you respect our right to create these monuments and we will keep them alive for generations to come.

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 09-18-2003 05:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Allen Rubin:
We hope you respect our right to create these monuments and we will keep them alive for generations to come.

I haven’t got a good word left for George Tulloch’s destructive work and the way he justifies his actions against the Titanic tragedy, so it’s better if I did not comment to much!

You simply see a way to make a lot of money and that is fine, but don’t start about the monument stuff. There hasn’t been a tragedy that gotten that much attention and has many different forms and mediums as honourable monuments.

Onno

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saf28
First Class Passenger
Member # 3824

posted 09-18-2003 05:10 PM

I think that it would be cool if we rebullt some legendary ships. Sometimes reading about something and just looking at pictures just isnt enough. Imagine if you could be on the normandie cruising the atlantic. Just b.c we were born in a different era doesnt mean we should have to suffer...

Scott

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Allen Rubin
Just Boarded
Member # 4154

posted 09-18-2003 05:35 PM

Well, it's too bad that you view everything that is memorialized as a scheme just to make money. There are plenty of monuments to the 9/11 tragedy, which I believe there should be. There also should be a memorial to Titanic. Those who don't appreciate it, don't have to visit. Remember that the richest people in the world at the time were aboard the Titanic. Where is their memorial?

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 09-18-2003 05:47 PM

I have had a look around the Belfast plans and it does look like an excellent redevelopment of the area. I know in Belfast they have always wanted to do something in respect of Titanic and the exhibition & various 90yr events last year were well attended and a big success I gather. But I don't see anything mentioned re the hotel being a Titanic replica? It just says hotel, doesn't mention casino either. I am not sure a LV type building would be much appreciated in Belfast?
Titanic exhibitions, ephemera of the local area, of which I am sure there is plenty, & more will no doubt be found when the docklands start being developed, are fine. But actual items recovered from the ship? I am not sure.. many prefer them to stay there, others like to see, it's very much a personal thing I think?
TitanicSteve [StevyB?]/ Paddy are you reading? What do locals in Belfast think of the plans?
Pam

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feargus
First Class Passenger
Member # 3982

posted 09-18-2003 09:22 PM

re: titanic resort, las vegas
SICK!

are there plans to build a twin towers resort and casino next door?

[ 09-18-2003: Message edited by: feargus ]

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JOE
First Class Passenger
Member # 3708

posted 09-18-2003 11:17 PM

I don't want a replica titanic. If it was a replica Ile de France, Normandie, or Rex. THen definitely. Titanic is already full of press, I suggest we focus more importantley on liners that haven't been much aknowledged. My idea would be an Ile de France Replica, but it would be the 1949 one, with a Smoking Room Styled like the 1927 one and it will be called Claridon(Last Voyage) and will sail to the south pacific. It will have a sister built. The name needs work. But it will have balconies built into the hull.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 09-22-2003 07:37 AM

Joe,
I agree with you about balconies into the hull.
Replicas will be an eyesore otherwise.
I think of the Fantasy class of Carnival which dealt very well with this, perhaps by placing the lifeboats too high.
But balconies on liners replicas should be subtle, no more than two decks high and recessed from the extreme width of the ship, a la QE2...
About Normandie, she would be perfect with two slimmer funnels(a la Ile de France), with a lido built in between.
A long tied row of balconied suites would replace the Tourist Lounge, which would be rebuilt aft.
The stern pool could be blended in a rebuild of the stern decks a la Oceanic.
Renditionists...go!
ssLewis, wishing he had the sofware

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 02-27-2004 06:34 PM

For Cassandra.

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Commodore
First Class Passenger
Member # 1575

posted 02-27-2004 06:52 PM

I've always wanted to see a replica Rex and Andrea Doria but not Titanic. The Rex should have the same name, but it might not be in good taste to name the Andrea Doria replica after the original. But, if it was named Christoforo Colombo, who would bother, it wouldn't be as famous. Either way you sorta lose unless your a marketing genius with taste.

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