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62france
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posted 06-03-2004 01:42 AM      Profile for 62france   Email 62france   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
for a while i have been debating. QM2 claims to be the widest at 135 feet wide, yet the brochures for royal carribean claim that there voyager of the seas is 157 feet wide, what gives, am i an idot or just an error on Royal carribean. more than once i made a mistake here, so what do you think.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 06-03-2004 02:35 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is the 157 feet the width of bridge wings or is the true width of the hull?? It seems that the cruise lines get a little creative with tonnage and dimensions as they have for decades. I have posted before that if QM2's upper verandas/cabins were pushed outward to line up with the hull, she would weigh in as at least 160,000 tons or much more. As an example, I wrote that when QE2s veranda suites were added in 1972 and '87, her tonnage went from 65,000 to 67,000 and finally 70,000 tons. A difference of 5000 tons than when first built.
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sslewis
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posted 06-03-2004 12:39 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, all propaganda testing your techincal knowledge.
Canberra grew from 44,000 tons gross to 49,000 tons without any work thanks to UMS in 1996!
As metric is more conservative than imperial, feet is de rigueur too these days.
Itis an interesting point as the Ocean Princess class hull was designed for panama, and the balconies overhanged the hull...

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bulbousbow
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posted 06-03-2004 11:50 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The QM2 is the longest and the widest. The Ultra-Voyager currently being built at Kvaerner Masa-Yards measures up as:

Length: 339m (1112ft)
Breadth: 38.6m (126ft) at waterline

so the current Voyager-class cannot be wider than QM2. The 157ft probably refers to the bridge wings.

Here are QM2's measurements:

Length: 345m (1132ft)
Breadth: 41.1m (135ft)

Its bridge wings measure 147.5ft.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 06-04-2004 12:07 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So because the 'Ultra Voyager' will have a modern cruise ship superstructure which means pushed as far forward and aft as possible, she will be the largest cruise ship afloat. Cunard can still advertize QM2 as the longest, widest and tallest liner afloat, just not the largest.
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Ocean Liners
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posted 06-04-2004 12:40 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are facts about Voyager class.

Length o.a. : 311 m (1,020 ft)
Breadth wl : 38.6 m (126.6 ft)
Breadth max : 48 m (157.4 ft) - 49.1 m (161.1 ft)
Draught dwl : 8.6 m (28.2 ft)
Height to top of funnel, approx. : approx. 63 m (207 ft)
Gross tonnage, approx. : 137,276 UMS (VY & AD) - 137,308 UMS (EX) - 138,298 UMS (NV & MA)

The Bold texts apply only for Navigator and Mariner of the Seas.

From Voyager-class.com


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bulbousbow
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posted 06-04-2004 01:42 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
lasuvidaboy wrote:
So because the 'Ultra Voyager' will have a modern cruise ship superstructure which means pushed as far forward and aft as possible, she will be the largest cruise ship afloat.

Correct. Only in enclosed space, but she shouldn't be in displacement terms. QM2 is longer, wider, taller and all steel and should be heavier (empty or full with water/oil, etc.).

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Ocean Liners wrote:
Breadth max : 48 m (157.4 ft) - 49.1 m (161.1 ft)

Note: the maximum breadth is not the hull but in the superstructure, and should be referring to the bridge wings.

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Ocean Liners
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posted 06-04-2004 01:54 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It meant the breadth wl is 38.6 meters (126.6 ft) at waterline level as you posted at 11:50 PM on 06-03-2004,
Breadth max : 48 m (157.4 ft) - 49.1 m (161.1 ft) at the bridge wings.

The Bold texts apply only for Navigator and Mariner of the Seas.

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Maasdam
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posted 06-04-2004 08:03 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Is the 157 feet the width of bridge wings or is the true width of the hull?? It seems that the cruise lines get a little creative with tonnage and dimensions as they have for decades. I have posted before that if QM2's upper verandas/cabins were pushed outward to line up with the hull, she would weigh in as at least 160,000 tons or much more. As an example, I wrote that when QE2s veranda suites were added in 1972 and '87, her tonnage went from 65,000 to 67,000 and finally 70,000 tons. A difference of 5000 tons than when first built.

This happend whene P&O m.s. Oriana came in service she was the largest passenger vessel in Brittain. So Cunard anounced that QE2 was larger thene Oriana. It's al publicity.

before ww2 in the Great depression company's make there ships smaller to safe money. The t.s.s. Statendam 3 frome HAL was a 29.000 tonner whene entering service in the midt of depresion she lose some waith she masured 28.000 tonnes. So you see very creatif.

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8666263
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posted 09-30-2004 11:29 PM      Profile for 8666263   Email 8666263   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having dreaming about going on the Eagle class ships while onboard Mercury, I figured that a ship with a bredth of 157.5 would be huge!!, then cruising onboard Navigator of the Seas about a month ago I figured it couldnt be 157.5 feet wide, so its only at the bridge wings.

So whats the extreme bredth of the QM2?


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Ocean Liners
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posted 09-30-2004 11:37 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 8666263:

So whats the extreme bredth of the QM2?


Have you ever seen the QM2's Facts on Cunard site?

Beam: 135 feet

Beam at Bridge Wings: 147.5 feet

[ 10-01-2004: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]


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Captain Rhone
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posted 10-01-2004 06:11 PM      Profile for Captain Rhone   Email Captain Rhone   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The QM2's width(wing to wing) is 164 Feet.Just below the front structure juts out where it is 147.5 Feet,then the hull is 135 feet.
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Brian_O
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posted 10-02-2004 12:11 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Rhone:
The QM2's width(wing to wing) is 164 Feet.Just below the front structure juts out where it is 147.5 Feet,then the hull is 135 feet.

Sorry, but you are wrong about the 164 feet. Ocean Liners is correct. According to Cunard (who actually know the dimensions of their ship) the wing-tip to wing-tip width of the bridge of QM2 is 147.5* feet and that is the maximum width of any part of the ship. The maximum width of the hull occurs at midship and is 135 feet.

Brian

*The 4-page information sheet that was given to passengers aboard QM2 on her maiden transatlantic voyage in April, rounds this figure to 148 feet.

[ 10-02-2004: Message edited by: Brian_O ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-02-2004 05:34 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian_O:

Sorry, but you are wrong about the 164 feet. Ocean Liners is correct. According to Cunard (who actually know the dimensions of their ship) the wing-tip to wing-tip width of the bridge of QM2 is 147.5* feet and that is the maximum width of any part of the ship. The maximum width of the hull occurs at midship and is 135 feet.

Brian

*The 4-page information sheet that was given to passengers aboard QM2 on her maiden transatlantic voyage in April, rounds this figure to 148 feet.

[ 10-02-2004: Message edited by: Brian_O ]


The forward superstructure flairs outward at deck 10 (where the QM and QE suites are giving them a downward view of the sea through large windows) and the bridge wings extend out even farther above at deck 12. Being that the beam of the ship is narrower at this point as you approach the bow- compared to midship. I think the measurement that Ocean Liners and Brian provided are correct.


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