The Andrea Doria and Cristoforo Columbo were an evolution of the first two. These two ships used steam turbine propulsion.

The latter went back to steam for greater speed. I am surprised that they didn't expand on the diesel technology.

The interiors on all 4 ships are gorgeous. Looking over the deck plans
the 3 class layout gave a very poor flow and circulation by modern standards, and would not care for a 3rd class voyage on any of them.

The exteriors, I would give a nod to the Doria/Columbo, they seem a cleaner superstructure and have more of a sense of movement. All 4 are still very attractive, and have a timeless grace

If Doria/Columbo is Brad Pitt/Nicole Kidman then
Augustus/Giulio is Tobey Maguire/Sandra Bullock

Italian Line had believed that superliners were bloated wasteful symbols of a bygone era and wanted to cap size at 33k tons. I believe the minimalist interiors by Gio Ponti, Nino Zoncada, and Gustavo Pulitzer Finale were an atonement for the bombastic neo-mannerist robber baron style that disgraced the Rex. The Conte Di Savoia was much more inviting.

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Originally posted by desirod7:

The interiors on all 4 ships are gorgeous. Looking over the deck plans
the 3 class layout gave a very poor flow and circulation by modern standards, and would not care for a 3rd class voyage on any of them.

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As far as interiors, well, you know me ... give me REX anyday. Must be the bombastic neo-mannerist robber baron in me.

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I've always preferred GIULIO CESARE & AUGUSTUS over CRISTOFORO COLOMBO & the DORIA. It's their giant funnel ... very cool. But, I've always preferred LEONARDO DA VINCI over all of them.

As far as interiors, well, you know me ... give me REX anyday. Must be the bombastic neo-mannerist robber baron in me.

Russ

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Would you please explain the difference of Deck's Layout between Giulio Cesare/Augustus and Andrea Doria/Cristoforo Colombo?

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Most 3 class liners with vertical segregation become a maze with all the stairwells and non-modular cabin layout.

The old Sea Breeze's lower decks were hard to find one's way around.

The 4 ships we speak of are no exception.

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Desirod7

Would you please explain the difference of Deck's Layout between Giulio Cesare/Augustus and Andrea Doria/Cristoforo Colombo?

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Russ,

If everyone had the same taste in design, the world would be an oppressively monotonous place.
I appreciate and respect our differences.

Hey Carnival ships have the consummate bombast interiors.

Stazione Centrale in Milan Italy built 1931, speaking of bombast

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As far as interiors, well, you know me ... give me REX anyday. Must be the bombastic neo-mannerist robber baron in me.

Russ

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Onno

Doria in color...

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Originally posted by Onno:
A colour question: I found this picture of Cristoforo Colombo, it shows that the bulkheads of the superstructure beneath the funnel is a creamy/yellowish colour. Now I wondered if Andrea Doria had this same colour or did she had white painted bulkheads?

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I don't know the answer to your question, but I wouldn't be surprised if Andrea Doria also had the same off-white colour. Other ships have had similar non-white deckhouses in the superstructure at or above the lifeboat level to make their profiles appear less bulky. For example, until the mid 80's QE2's boat deck deckhouse was khaki. Nowadays cruise companies don't seem to care how bulky or top-heavy their ships look, so they don't resort to optical trickery.

Thanks. You're correct: different tastes and opinions is what makes the world go 'round.

Yes, I agree that Carnival's interiors fall into the same over-the-top genre but obviously with a more modern approach. In terms of excessive decoration, Farcus' designs fall right in line with ships such as Conte Grande, Conte Verde, etc. Not in the sense that they are the same type literally but the same type visually.

Which is why I like Rex' interiors ... they were, in comparing them to other Italian liners like the ones above, more sedate. Not by much but, enough for me to like them better. As far as Conte Di Savoia's interiors, well, they were lovely and far more streamlined than Rex. CdS fell closer to the tree with two of my favorite Italian liners, the pre-war Neptunia & Oceania ... lovely little ships.

I have always pictured Farcus sitting at his desk with old Italian Line brochures, designing Carnival interiors by simply changing the materials list.

I like all interiors of the last 7 Italian liners, not so bombastic and overwhelming like the liners before. Conte di Savoia still had some of those “castle” like interiors and decorations and actually interesting also had more modern Art Deco like interiors at the same time. Maybe I like the Italian Liner interiors from the 50’s to the end better because they formed a more consistent overall design that reflected a more homely at ease look while the older liners showed a totally different almost fantasy like world (much in the same way as today’s interiors designed by Farcus)

I think the interiors where aesthetics and comfort complemented each other in the best possible way must be those of Andrea Doria and Cristoforo Columbo. Comfortable elegant and jet play full. Leonardo da Vincie was more straight forward (at least from what I have seen in pictures) and Michalangelo and Raffaello’s interiors were leaning more towards the bombastic side.

In al cases it is a pity the three class divided system got used on all ships, it sealed their fate and any realistic possibility for conversion.

The Italian liners with their extrovert Lido decks had a unique touch which made them set apart from the other European liners.