On the whole ship, whereever you look, you will no longer find the name REMBRANDT ! !

The project is called: s.s. ROTTERDAM.
The hotel will be named: Hotel Cruiseship s.s. ROTTERDAM.
The owning company is: s.s. ROTTERDAM B.V.

Thank you.

Now you will say that its only an question. Buth a question frome you is like an order. I told you before that the vessel in Question is owned by s.s. Rotterdam b.v. now owned by the Port authority Rotterdam and not any other company, foundation.
Never fotget that.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:
Rotterdam, Rembrand, Rotterdam, Rembranterdam
who cares iff someone want to call here Rembrandterdam, he/she have the full right. Remember we are living in democratic country's and everybody heve the right to say, believe and to do as long the are aplay to the constitution off the Netherlands and the USA.

Now you will say that its only an question. Buth a question frome you is like an order. I told you before that the vessel in Question is owned by s.s. Rotterdam b.v. now owned by the Port authority Rotterdam and not any other company, foundation.
Never fotget that.

Maasdam.

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O.K. Maasdijkerdam,

Just read again my message. I do have a request to Desirod and I certainly know that is not you !!

I just requested Desirod to use the correct name of the ship and not a mix of the two names the ship had.

Still i have the right to make a repaly on your question. Iff someone wants to call the Rotterdam Rembranterdam ore Maasdamerdamrottenieuwamsterdam 5 til 6 thene he/she ore we have the full right to do so. Just as you called me Maasdijkerdam i like that name maybe i chanse to that name.

And one last remark:

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I know damned well who the owner of the ship is and certainly you do not have to tell me that !!

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Don't usse such a strong words as dam..... because this is out off order on Cruise Talk.

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Originally posted by Another Cruise Addict:
I call it by it's descriptive name "Rusted".

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You are right, I can hardly understand those people who want to save this rustbucket full of asbestos.

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Originally posted by Willem H. van der Leek:
Whenever you are talking about the former HAL flagship, s.s. ROTTERDAM V, for a few years having been Premier Cruises' s.s. REMBRANDT, please use the name ROTTERDAM.

On the whole ship, whereever you look, you will no longer find the name REMBRANDT ! !

The project is called: s.s. ROTTERDAM.
The hotel will be named: Hotel Cruiseship s.s. ROTTERDAM.
The owning company is: s.s. ROTTERDAM B.V.

Thank you.

Kind regards,
Willem van der Leek

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Originally posted by rd77:

Gosh Willem, you can get so pissed off over nothing sometimes. Relax!

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What does it matter how someone else calls the ship, if “they” want "they" could call her the ss Fluffycakes! I also heard someone call the ship “De Bondjassen Boot”. It is just a nickname like the ship is also called “The Grande Dame”. I wouldn’t waste time over it, just take a chill pill!

[ 09-14-2004: Message edited by: Onno ]

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Originally posted by HendrikusOM:
Take it easy boys !!
There are a lot of people, especialy the Indonesian crewmembers, who in particular do not understand the word dam, from those dam(ned)ships. Most think that it are all city's like Rotterdam, but they can't find statendam, maasdam on a map. And when I show them my badge (with the name Opdam on it), they became silence. Personally I think the 2 names Rotterdam and Rembrandt(erdam) are both good and proud names together.
Henri.

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Originally posted by HendrikusOM:
Take it easy boys !!
There are a lot of people, especialy the Indonesian crewmembers, who in particular do not understand the word dam, from those dam(ned)ships. Most think that it are all city's like Rotterdam, but they can't find statendam, maasdam on a map. And when I show them my badge (with the name Opdam on it), they became silence. Personally I think the 2 names Rotterdam and Rembrandt(erdam) are both good and proud names together.
Henri.

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Maasdam is a real litle city here not so fare frome Rotterdam. Also Veendam, Volendam, Zaandam are city's ore villages.

[ 09-14-2004: Message edited by: Maasdam ]

Willem has made me the center of attention.
In American culture "nicknames" are used affectionately for people, places, and things.

The Canberra was called the "Great White Whale"
Queen Mary 1 was the "Grey Ghost"
SSUnited States is "TheBigU"
The Carnival Destiny is called the "Carnival Density" or the "fun ship"

I call the most beautiful remaining liner afloat "Rembrandterdam" so not to confuse her with the Rotterdam6 and the 4 predecessors.

I only sailed her as the Rembrandt and thank you Premier for the best cruise on the best ship ever.
Had Premier not bought her, I never would have got the chance. Liners List had a group booking the week before I sailed her.

My nickname is not in disparagement but affection.

from the dictionary
nickname (niknam)
n.
1 an additional or substitute name given to a person, place, or thing: usually descriptive and given in fun, affection, or derision, as Doc, Shorty, etc.
2 a familiar, often shorter, form of a proper name, as Dick for Richard
vt.
-named, -naming
1 to give a nickname to
2 [Now Rare] to misname

Etymology
[< (a)n ekename < ME ekename, surname: see eke1 & name]

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Originally posted by desirod7:
Ah,

Willem has made me the center of attention.
In American culture "nicknames" are used affectionately for people, places, and things.

My nickname is not in disparagement but affection.

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I have to disagree with you and Willem is right.

The 'nickname' as used by you is felt as an insult by the people who are involved with the return of the s.s. ROTTERDAM.

Most of them are talking about "our 'old' ROTTERDAM" being the s.s. ROTTERDAM V and the "new ROTTERDAM" being the m.s. ROTTERDAM VI.

As for Onno and Maasdam. I do not understand why you are attacking Willem. I know him very well and he is very dedicated to his work for the s.s. ROTTERDAM. I know, as I am more involved than he is.
Maasdam, the rules of this forum do mention: 'You do not have the freedom of speech.' 'Behave as you were a guest at someone's home'.

So “guest” I would appreciate if you did not assume I’m attacking anyone. Willem is a big boy if he has problems he can address them himself (as he does on numerous occasions)

Onno

Freedom off speech is a full right even on internet.
Whene i want to react on Willems post to Desirod7 i will do so. As long i respect the rules off CT. In this case i do so.

Iff someone wants to call the s.s. Rotterdam Rembrandterdam thene ones again he have the full right to do so.

Willem and clearly you are attacking anybody who´s dissagree with your opinion. The s.s. Rotterdam is not only fore a happy view buth fore everybody. And its like he and some others want to claim this ship fore theme self.

So make it impossible fore the rest to talk openly about this ship.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

The s.s. Rotterdam is not only fore a happy view buth fore everybody. And its like he and some others want to claim this ship fore theme self.

So make it impossible fore the rest to talk openly about this ship.

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Maasdam, I have no idea why you are thinking that.

When the s.s. Rotterdam is back in Rotterdam, the ship is for everyone, as long as they pay entrance for the museum, pay for their drinks , dinner or hotelroom.

Please explain who are 'he and some others' claiming the ship for themselves ? ? ?

Perhaps instead of referring to the ship as ROTTERDAM V, she should be referred to as simply ROTTERDAM of '59... because that's what she is.

Afterall, Willem, "V" cannot be found anywhere on the ship either.

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Originally posted by Willem H. van der Leek:

Maasdam, I have no idea why you are thinking that.

When the s.s. Rotterdam is back in Rotterdam, the ship is for everyone, as long as they pay entrance for the museum, pay for their drinks , dinner or hotelroom.

Please explain who are 'he and some others' claiming the ship for themselves ? ? ?

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He is you Willem and some others are those who think they have all rights simply because they have work on the Rotterdam.

Why i wrote this is because in youre posts ore reply, and how you cane react on me sometimes it feel you claim the Rotterdam fore yourself. And iff someone have a other opinion ore have something news you always show some hostile reactions.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

He is you Willem and some others are those who think they have all rights simply because they have work on the Rotterdam.

Why i wrote this is because in youre posts ore reply, and how you cane react on me sometimes it feel you claim the Rotterdam fore yourself. And iff someone have a other opinion ore have something news you always show some hostile reactions.

Specialy to me ore Onno. Look i never sail on here and my first meeting with here was whene she was in Rotterdam as Rembrandt. Buth i now here history and more and she is one off my favorit HAL ships (the s.s. Statendam 1929 is my favorit)

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I think you got the wrong idea in your head.

I would like to hear some names from you. On this list as you are accusing me and other people on this list!

I can assure you that I nor any other person is claiming the ship. How can we do that since we do not own her

I expect that no one except the participants, is particularly interested in, what is really a discussion of naming philosophies. The ultimate name will be that carried to Alang..someday, given the multiple names that ships have carried throughout the years, Victoria comes to mind.

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Originally posted by linerguy:

Russ ... laughing.

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Russ,
Where have you been lately? I have not seen you around here in quite some time. Nice to have you back!

Russ, nice to have you back.

Meanwhile I am putting together a photo of hull #731 from Fairfield shipbuilding of Govan.
She was an Empress, a Queen, a Carnival, a Fiesta, a game, a gem, and now a boat.

She shared 2 names with her former fleetmate who survives. Olympic, Olympia, Empress of Britain and Regal Empress. Who can tell them apart?

Do I call them the Empress of Marina, Queen Carnivale, Regal Empress of Britain, Olympia Maria,
Maria Marina, Fiesta Caribe?

Just do not call them to Alang, Ghadani, Chittagong, or call them to Farcus, Donghia, or Katzurikas.

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Originally posted by eroller:

Russ,
Where have you been lately? I have not seen you around here in quite some time. Nice to have you back!

Ernie

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Yeah, I've been silent lately. I'm in a crunch mode to complete a project I've been working on for about a year (something outside of the cruise industry) and it's wearing me thin. Late nights, working 'til the wee hours on weekends, blah, blah, blah. But there's light at the end of, well, you know the rest.

I've also been promoted to a position that is more demanding ... less time to play. Still, I'll be around.

Russ

[ 09-15-2004: Message edited by: linerguy ]